[rollei_list] Re: 6 x 9 search
- From: "Eric Goldstein" <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:00:44 -0400
The Century and Pacemaker are more forgiving with 65s than the
miniature Speed. Supposedly, you can use some shorter lenses with
them. Search graflex.org for more...
Eric Goldstein
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On 8/31/07, rcreason-1 <rcreason-1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I use the 65mm f6.8 Schneider-Kreuznach Angulon with my Century Graphic
> and works quite well for 6x9. I don't think I could use anything much
> shorter than this.
> Bob C.
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> Eric Goldstein wrote:
> All good information. I think the 80 is the widest lens these cameras
> can be set up for use with the viewfinder and kalart IF you can find
> the right cam/scale. It is a very compact, light, and high quality
> lens, but really must be shot at f/16 or smaller to get good
> performance (by design, according to Kodak).
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> I did doubt check, and only some 65 mm designs can be used on some of
> the 23 Graphics. I thought I remembered this finding when doing the
> research a few years ago. The Busch Pressman Model C can easily handle
> a 60ish mm lens and is a better choice for wide...
>
> If you can handle Fuji lenses, their "Texas Leica" 69 with 65 mm lens
> is probably the most practical choice but now we are talking a
> different class of size and $$...
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> Eric Goldstein
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> On 8/31/07, Mike Bischof <nbg90455@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Jan,
> After all the technical discussions ;-), let me give you some perspectives
> from a user's point, as I have gone that route in the last couple of years
> -- and yes, it does lead to LF photography with no shortage of opportunities
> to blows lots of cash. As a result, my current favorite weapon is an Arca
> Swiss 4x5 Field camera with a Rodenstock Apo-Sironar S 210, but that's a
> different discussion :-D
>
> Back to the topic at hand. After considerable time with the 6x6 negatives
> and slides from my Rolleiflex, I wanted to get something with a bigger (and
> rectangular) negative, so my first choice was a Crown Graphic 23. Here are a
> couple of notes on that camera (which I still own and love, but which
> doesn't get a whole lot of use anymore, thanks to the Arca):
>
> 1) Relatively cheap and lightweight camera with good (and cheap) access to
> multiple lenses. I still have the 101mm Ektar and the 80mm WA Ektar, both
> are great lenses.
> 2) With the proper sets of infinity stops (and good calibration), neither
> lens really needs the rangefinder for focusing _landscapes_ since they
> _will_ be shot at infinity. Of course, other shots will require focusing.
> 3) For hand-held operations, focusing by groundglass is a PITA, but so is
> composition. I always used my Crown Graphic tripod-mounted, but it is
> possible to do handheld as well. For _landscapes_, I think the bigger issue
> is composition, but if you are only using B&W, where you can crop during
> printing (rather than slides, where that is less desirable), you could just
> get the proper masks for the external viewfinder that is attached on top of
> the (older?) Crown Graphics. They are not as accurate as in an SLR, but you
> can just make sure that you are capturing the scene in general (also see
> film flatness issues below).
> 4) If you do buy a Crown Graphic, make sure you get one with a Graflock, so
> you can use rollfilm holders. Since you are interested in 6x9, you want the
> rollfilm holder that generates 8 shots out of a 120 roll (I think it's
> called RH-8???). There are (at least) two versions, the newer ones have
> additional rollers to achieve better (but not perfect) film flatness, but as
> a result, the image is really more like 6x8 (one of mine was as small as
> 56x72mm). The older ones do not have the rollers, are closer to 6x9, but
> also have more film flatness issues. My approach was always to compose
> generously, and then really only use the center 6x7 (or so) for printing.
> 5) There are wider lenses than the 80mm WA Ektar for 6x9, but they will all
> require you to "drop the bed" to avoid it showing up in your picture. As a
> result, IMHO, _handheld_ composition is practically impossible. I had a 65mm
> Angulon and a 47mm (Super?-) Angulon for a while, but even tripod-mounted it
> was a PITA, and they never saw enough use (for me) to warrant keeping them.
>
> Incidentally, since I wanted to have a _handheld_ camera whenever I can't
> use my Arca, I got a 6x9 folder about a year ago. Since I didn't want any
> front-cell focusing camera (due to the well-known image quality issues, all
> the Zeiss Ikons (unfortunately) were off the list. I ended up getting a
> Voigtlander Bessa II, which had most of the things I wanted:
> - good optics. I only got the Color-Skopar (=Tessar) version, but there is a
> Color-Heliar and even a Apo-Lanthar version. although at _much_ higher
> prices.
> - coupled rangefinder
> - not front-cell focusing -- the whole lens moves when focusing
> I does have considerable film-flatness issues, but, again, the center potion
> (about 6x7) is perfect, and the viewfinder isn't terrible accurate for
> composition anyway.
>
> Feel free to contact me offline, if you have more questions.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
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