Jan, After all the technical discussions ;-), let me give you some perspectives from a user's point, as I have gone that route in the last couple of years -- and yes, it does lead to LF photography with no shortage of opportunities to blows lots of cash. As a result, my current favorite weapon is an Arca Swiss 4x5 Field camera with a Rodenstock Apo-Sironar S 210, but that's a different discussion :-D Back to the topic at hand. After considerable time with the 6x6 negatives and slides from my Rolleiflex, I wanted to get something with a bigger (and rectangular) negative, so my first choice was a Crown Graphic 23. Here are a couple of notes on that camera (which I still own and love, but which doesn't get a whole lot of use anymore, thanks to the Arca): 1) Relatively cheap and lightweight camera with good (and cheap) access to multiple lenses. I still have the 101mm Ektar and the 80mm WA Ektar, both are great lenses. 2) With the proper sets of infinity stops (and good calibration), neither lens really needs the rangefinder for focusing _landscapes_ since they _will_ be shot at infinity. Of course, other shots will require focusing. 3) For hand-held operations, focusing by groundglass is a PITA, but so is composition. I always used my Crown Graphic tripod-mounted, but it is possible to do handheld as well. For _landscapes_, I think the bigger issue is composition, but if you are only using B&W, where you can crop during printing (rather than slides, where that is less desirable), you could just get the proper masks for the external viewfinder that is attached on top of the (older?) Crown Graphics. They are not as accurate as in an SLR, but you can just make sure that you are capturing the scene in general (also see film flatness issues below). 4) If you do buy a Crown Graphic, make sure you get one with a Graflock, so you can use rollfilm holders. Since you are interested in 6x9, you want the rollfilm holder that generates 8 shots out of a 120 roll (I think it's called RH-8???). There are (at least) two versions, the newer ones have additional rollers to achieve better (but not perfect) film flatness, but as a result, the image is really more like 6x8 (one of mine was as small as 56x72mm). The older ones do not have the rollers, are closer to 6x9, but also have more film flatness issues. My approach was always to compose generously, and then really only use the center 6x7 (or so) for printing. 5) There are wider lenses than the 80mm WA Ektar for 6x9, but they will all require you to "drop the bed" to avoid it showing up in your picture. As a result, IMHO, _handheld_ composition is practically impossible. I had a 65mm Angulon and a 47mm (Super?-) Angulon for a while, but even tripod-mounted it was a PITA, and they never saw enough use (for me) to warrant keeping them. Incidentally, since I wanted to have a _handheld_ camera whenever I can't use my Arca, I got a 6x9 folder about a year ago. Since I didn't want any front-cell focusing camera (due to the well-known image quality issues, all the Zeiss Ikons (unfortunately) were off the list. I ended up getting a Voigtlander Bessa II, which had most of the things I wanted: - good optics. I only got the Color-Skopar (=Tessar) version, but there is a Color-Heliar and even a Apo-Lanthar version. although at _much_ higher prices. - coupled rangefinder - not front-cell focusing -- the whole lens moves when focusing I does have considerable film-flatness issues, but, again, the center potion (about 6x7) is perfect, and the viewfinder isn't terrible accurate for composition anyway. Feel free to contact me offline, if you have more questions. Cheers, Mike Jan Decher <Jan.Decher@xxxxxxx> wrote: Eric: Very interested in a portable 6x9 folder, especially in one that can handle a mild wideangle (60mm) so I can do panoramic landscapes on my expeditions. Do you have web links for the Miniature Speed or Busch Pressman? Do they have coupled rangefinders or will I have to resort to groundglas focusing by taking the 6x9 cassette on and off? I guess this is how people gradually slide into LF photography... I picked up the Omega B7 today. It has two focusing tracks for a 50mm Componon and a 3 1/2inch (90mm) Ektar, But only came with a 50mm EL Omegar... Thanks, Jan On 30 Aug 2007, at 02:28, FreeLists Mailing List Manager wrote: My fav 69 shooters are a miniature Speed and a Busch Pressman, from which I can hang any number of fine lenses. I also think they have the edge over folders relative to film flatness... Eric Goldstein --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.