[rollei_list] Re: 2.8 80mm Opton-Tessar

Yes Peter, you are right and you always have the
reason. Thank you very much.-
Carlos
 --- "Peter K." <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:

> OK Carlos,
> 
> You are right Carlos. It can be confusing with all
> the verbage in these
> posts. And once again I have confused you. Sorry.
> Let me do it like this:
> 
> CARLOS WROTE - "My answer was and is that Rollei
> used the two 1938 lenses to
> develop the 1939 2.8 prototype, and Rollei needed
> the lenses for the camera
> series production, the 1939 prototype was ready for
> production and that
> was the reason to buy the lenses on 1939, Rollei
> needed the lenses but due
> to the war Rollei couldn't obtain the tooling to
> manufacture the camera for
> the
> market. The 1939 prototype and that Rollei had
> projected to manufacture the
> prototype for the market on 1939 are facts, the 1939
> lenses batch bought
> from Zeiss for this camera production is my
> conclusion, and according
> Prochnow the lens was recomputed to meet F&H quality
> needs and then Prochnow
> has to do too."
> 
> Peter's REPLY to this statement: This, meaning your
> answer to Marc's comment
> is speculation! You are drawing your own conclusions
> from circumstantial
> evidence. Since neither you or anyone else,
> including Prochnow, was not
> there during that period it is speculation!
> 
> Now the second part that I wrote was regarding the
> order of 5K lenses. Marc
> noted "Why would F&H order 5,000 lenses which didn't
> meet their needs?  I
> doubt that this was the case."
> 
> PETER's REPLY:   The 1930s in Germany were a very
> depressed period.
> Unless F&H had a lot of excess capital I find this
> ordering 5,000 lenses
> unusual.
> 
> This (my reply above) is a general statement
> concerning the time period. I
> just find ordering that many lenses during that time
> to be expensive unless
> it was done on a scheduled purchase and delivery
> basis.
> 
> ONE LAST NOTE, Carlos wrote: "You can agree or
> disagree with Prochnow,
> however his career in Rollei was like cameras design
> engineer from March
> 1958 to 1994, and his first contract was approved by
> Reinhold Heidecke after
> a personal interview, Prochnow has  several
> registered D.B.P patents for his
> invents and designs like camers designer."
> 
> Peter's Reply - I hold several patents too. But that
> does not make me an
> expert in the activities of one of my suppliers.
> Additionally, something
> that happened 20 years prior to my employment is
> pure speculation and
> subject to the tall tale syndrome. This I liken to
> Prochnow speculating on
> what Zeiss did 20+ years before he was an apprentice
> in 1958. The stories
> are subject to change as the years progress.
> 
> I hope this clears up your confusion.
> 
> Peter K
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/16/06, Carlos Manuel Freaza
> <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Peter, before to write a message, please read who
> > wrote and mentioned the 5,000 lenses for the first
> > time, it's seems you again are not following the
> > complete thread.-
> >
> > All the best
> > Carlos
> > --- "Peter K." <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> >
> > > Carlos,
> > > I think this is more a speculation on your part
> > > rather than a fact. The
> > > 1930s in Germany were a very depressed period.
> > > Unless F&H had a lot of
> > > excess capital I find this ordering 5,000 lenses
> > > unusual.
> > >
> > > Peter K
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/15/06, Carlos Manuel Freaza
> > > <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Marc, you wrote: "...I have no explanation for
> the
> > > > existence of the Prewar 2.8/8cm CZJ Tessars --
> > > > the first Rolleiflex batch was of only 2
> lenses
> > > > and was completed on 2 FEB 1938;  the other
> > > > Rolleiflex batches date from the first half of
> > > > 1939...." and now you ask  "Why would F&H
> order
> > > 5,000
> > > > lenses which didn't  meet their needs?"
> > > >
> > > > My answer was and is that Rollei used the two
> 1938
> > > > lenses to develop the 1939 2.8 prototype, and
> > > Rollei
> > > > needed the lenses for the camera series
> > > production,
> > > > the 1939 prototype was ready for production
> and
> > > that
> > > > was the reason to buy the lenses on 1939,
> Rollei
> > > > needed the lenses but due to the war Rollei
> > > couldn't
> > > > obtain the tooling to manufacture the camera
> for
> > > the
> > > > market. The 1939 prototype and that Rollei had
> > > > projected to manufacture the prototype for the
> > > market
> > > > on 1939 are facts, the 1939 lenses batch
> bought
> > > from
> > > > Zeiss for this camera production is my
> conclusion,
> > > > and according Prochnow the lens was recomputed
> to
> > > meet
> > > > F&H quality needs and then Prochnow has to do
> > > too.-
> > > >
> > > > All the best
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Marc James Small < marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > escribió:
> > > >
> > > > > Why would F&H order 5,000 lenses which
> didn't
> > > > > meet their needs?  I doubt that this was the
> > > > > case.  My suggestion -- that F&H found the
> 1936
> > > > > tweaking of the 1931 design for Zeiss Ikon
> > > > > acceptable -- makes sense.  F&H was a
> company
> > > and
> > > > > had to make a profit, something they
> neglected
> > > in
> > > > > the later 1960's to their dismay.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marc
> > > > >
> > > > > msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
> > > > >
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