[realmusicians] Re: Running Winize 7.5.2, god Help Me?

  • From: Indigo <33indigo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:21:57 -0500

I didn't forget some of those, just can't identify anything in them.
Only 1 or 2 times have I ever found leftovers that were identifiable in System 32.
Most have names like 1q85n038i838g.dll.
What program did that belong to?
They don't want you to know.
 smile.
Other than CCleaner, which I'm not sure goes into System 32 and the other places you indicated, I haven't found a cleaner I could trust. After un installing a particularly nasty program once, and the computer felt partly damaged, I used a so called deep registry cleaner, and it wrecked the system totally, requiring a clean install of XP afterward.
Indigo L

On 11/26/2011 6:29 AM, D!J!X! wrote:
Yea, you forgot  the main ones (believe it or not), but this is dangerous
and not recommended, and therefore there's not much you can do about it.
That's why I can also say, imaging is the way to go! Specially in windows7,
where imaging to discs and external media is built in to the OS, and
recovery is doable on your own after the tenth time :).
Now for the folders: C:\Windows, C:\Windows\System32, C:\Windows\Inf, In
win7 and Vista, C:\program Data, C:\Windows\SysWow64, and maybe a few of the
other %root drive directories. The system32 and sysWow64 are the most
probable ones and yet the most dangerous to mess with, one wrong file
deleted and you're probably not going to see that system boot next time.
There might also be subfolders in the system folders that programs create,
which might not be related by name but are placed there by the program in
question. This happens a lot specially when vendors use third party
libraries or other helper programs for whatever reason. It's like FS and
Rainbow technologies (Responsible for Sentenal System Driver).

HTH, D!J!X!

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Indigo
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:02 PM
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Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Running Winize 7.5.2, god Help Me?

Chris Belle is gonna say; learn to image your computer; which is so true.
For us less organized folks, I go around to the places these anti piracy
systems store their files.
First, I'd look in Program Files, to learn if Reason left its program folder
there after un installation.
If it did, I'd delete that PropellerHeads folder.
Then, I'd go to users, or Documents and Settings in XP, and go to all users
shown, 1 at a time, and look under App Settings for any folders with either
Code Meter, Reason, or PropellerHeads as their title, and delete them.
Same for Local Settings if you find that folder.
Make sure in App Data to look under each folder, Local, Local O and Roaming.
Okay, after that I'd back out of users, and go to windows RegEdit.
This is what I would do, not advice to you, so if you're scared of editing
your registry, stay out of RegEdit.
For me only, I'd go to HKEY local user and HKEY local machine, then arrow
down to software, find the Code Meter folder, and delete it.
Same with any PropellerHeads or Reason folders.
After all that, I'd run CCleaner, both to clean up hidden temp files and to
clean orphan entries from the registry.

Some day I'm gonna learn to image; about the same time I grow golden wings
and get a halo.
I hope they give me a golden harp to pick and strum; and don't mind if I do
bends sometimes; and  let me switch off to tenor sax.

Okay, if anybody knows any other places in a PC that Code Meter, or Pace
Lock, or Synchrosoft, might hide its evil minions, please tell us all.
Thanks,
Indigo L


L

On 11/25/2011 7:04 PM, Jack Conti wrote:
well then how do we get it out of there<smile>
At 11:18 PM 11/23/2011, you wrote:
The code meeter, yes reason puts it there, and no it doesn't uninstall
it at
all, I don't mean halfway or something, the code meeter system is
running,
services and all, even after reason is uninstalled. What's more, there's
nowhere on the add/remove prog or an uninstall file in the program folder
for it to be removed...
Those kinds of apps I definitely stay away from...

D!J!X!

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:13 PM
To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Running Winize 7.5.2, god Help Me?

I think reason put it there, when I ghosted, it went away, I didn't
pay too
close attention, but I think reason did some funny things to my system.

I'm thinking maybe spectrasonics might be the better way to go.

But reason does have some fun stuff in it.


At 09:23 AM 11/23/2011, you wrote:
You're right, DX, I've also noticed that Code Metering system on both
the Windows 7 and XP machine, not that I can say it's slowing the
system, but I hear those words Code Metering often when booting or
closing down.
It's one of those dratted anti piracy systems, like Pace Lock, or
whatever its name is, that burrows deeply into the system.
There is a good example of when to use CCleaner on the registry, so it
can find all orphaned files and other leftovers from uninstall of
Reason., possibly even leftovers of Code Metering or Pace anti piracy.
My specs, second generation I7 2600, 3.4 ghz, turbos to 3.8 ghz, with 8
gigs ddr3 ram, 1.5 TB 7200 rpm hard drive, MCI 7680MI motherboard.
ZT Systems supplies full Windows 7 on disk, plus the full MCI
motherboard manual.
That motherboard has its own turbo boost, called Genie OC, I still
haven't found which button on the case does the ghz boost, if it's
hooked up from the motherboard, or how high the ghz would go if I used
Genie OC.
Indigo L




On 11/22/2011 11:48 PM, D!J!X! wrote:
Not to start a war here, but have you configured and optimized
windows7 for daw use? Also, what are your system specs?

Actually one of reason's new drawbacks is that protection system
they're now using; it runs this code meeter service, which has these
sparatic spikes from time to time, not to mention, it won't let go of
your system, even after uninstalling reason and everything else...
On one of my test systems, a pentium dual core, the system continually
ran slow until I restored my preReason6 installation image.
I've been meaning to try it on xp, as I did the tests on win7, both
x86 and 64.

Regards, D!J!X!

-----Original Message-----
From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Indigo
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:44 PM
To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Running Winize 7.5.2, god Help Me?

No crackling on the I7 machine running any of those Reason demo songs,
plus playing along with them from midi keyboard.
System restore is still on on that machine, but I turned it off years
ago on the slow old music machine I'm not worrying about excess
latency or anything else on the new 64 bit I7, because in a little
longer I'll put Windows XP Pro on a Samsung F3 and I'll be back in
happy hog heaven; back on stable XP and good old predictable WindowEyes
6.1, but on a more powerful machine.
I had no problem whatsoever getting 5 ms latency, even 3ms, on both
the Emu PCI sound card and the PCIE Emu 1616m, on that slow old
machine, which played 1 or 2 of Reason 6's devices just fine, it just
couldn't cope with those demo songs, where 5 or 6 devices are running
simultaneously.
I had fewer glitches in 32 bits Reason 6 than I do on a new computer
with many times more power.
I'm not impressed with the stability of Win7 64.
it reminds me of my friend's 700 horsepower supercharged Corvette.
It might go 200 miles an hour, but his car went through a set of
crankshaft bearings in a week.
How impractical is that?
Sorry, maybe I'll become a Mennonite, the horse and buggy approach is
more peaceful. smile.
Indigo L


On 11/22/2011 8:18 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
Indie, if your worried about crackling and latency in your audio
though you might want it off on your music machines, it's something
to
consider.

Why bog a race horse down with a sumo wrestler if you don't have to
'grin'.

But if you like it, then it's golden.


At 07:00 PM 11/22/2011, you wrote:
I'm not going to worry about System Restore being a resource hog, it
saved me more than once now, and these four and 8 core machines are
still plenty fast enough with System Restore running.

On 11/22/2011 2:27 PM, Jack Conti wrote:
Tell you what it has bailed me out about three times over the last
year.
windows just simply screws up sometimes and just bringing mhy
system back a day helped. it even fixed a window eyes issue for me
since i di a couple bad things<smile>  At 02:19 PM 11/22/2011, you
wrote:
I don't have system restore running all the time as it's a
resource hog.

It's not really the same thing as an image, only backs up certain
files, it's a half assed microsoft thing no serious it person
uses it.

Well, let's say would depend on it for a real backup.


At 12:14 PM 11/22/2011, you wrote:
Can't you do a system restore, back a couple of days, before all
this mess hit the fan?

On 11/22/2011 1:05 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
You too huh?

Well, I lost my we 7.2 disk temporarily while the studio was
being built, so even though I owned window-eyes through 2 sma's
a good friend of mine lent me an iso so I could enjoy the
dubious pleasures of being a paying beta tester 'grin'.

I guess that's what we are with all this software.

I've come to the conclusion that we 7.2 was pretty good
especially after the refresh, then after all the furniture was
moved around it took a nose dive again.

I didn't have the luxury of having the option to go back to 751
and use my own copy of we.

After I found my copy burried in a box someplace, I guess I
didn't imediately rectify putting my own on all the machines,
and so, I'm out of luck.

This all happened at the time when I felt I was really treated
badly by gwmicro, booted unsarimoniously off the beta team
because I stood up to Doug because all he wanted to hear about
at the time were scripting issues, and I felt there were
important issues with the core functionallity of we not being
delt
with.

So i didn't feel like asking for another disk and handing over
20 bucks, petty I know, but it really hurt at the time.

I don't care anymore, I think these access companies are all the
same, some a little better than others, but when you run a
business, the bottom line is making a living.

Doug's going to make a whole lot more money selling new copies
of window-eyes for as long as he can, and these little devices
which he can resell and not have to baby-sit too much, and the
writing's on the wall, with w8 coming out with a pretty good
narrator, the mac coming on strong, and these little
screen-readers like nvda being nearly as good as the big guys
for more work a day tasks, I think the screen-reader landscape
is gonna change and the survivors will have to do something
different.

It won't be tomorrow, but
you know even fs has lowered their price for an sma, and they
never do that.

Guess they're feeling the pinch too, so many blind folks buying
macs now, and or using the free stuff?

The cavvy course through sisco that Stephie is taking
recommended nvda over jaws or window-eyes and you would be very
supprised at how good that little reader is.

the only thing it lacks is direct pixel control of where to
place the mouse, you can't move by delta values yet, but it will
read much stuff that is silent to window-eyes, especially in
windows 7.

How is it that a little free or donation supported screen reader
can be so stable and work so well, when the big guys are so
troublesome?

Is it the bloat factor?

I think therecomes a time with any software when it reaches a
critical mass and then as features are piled on, and old code
isn't updated or taken out, it becomes less stable, responsive,
and buggy.

And I'm no programmer, but I know enough to know how difficult
and elusive these things can be, especially with low level
stuff, and the ever changing target of how to even hook in to
operating systems, dcm, mirror drivers, ui and the whole nasty
mess.

so I don't think it's malice, I think gwmicro is trying to
survive, like a friend of mine pointed out, neglect and
disrespect can be mistaken for quiet desperation.

Doug's got a payroll to make.

also, there's been a lot of personallity turn over over there it
seems to me and one of the main programmers died too right?

so, it would probably take a new programmer a lot of time to
come up to speed with what is going on rather than someone who's
worked intimately with window-eyes through it's birth and
maturity and now it's cancerous degeneration 'grin', sorry, just
having a little fun, don't get too mad at me Tom.

let's hope a little chemo therapy and prayer will bring it back
and some super smarts like you have.

Boy, I'm writing this message with jaws, and notice I'm getting
no missed typing characters which has always plagued me with
window-eyes.

I know I get in a hurry and make mistakes, but I'm a pretty good
typer, if a lousy speller, but I get far more mistakes trying to
type with window-eyes.

No matter what I do, this never went away with any of my
hardware.

A friend of mine kids me that I'm using too good hardware and I
need to use amd chips as he's a fan of amd stuff, it's a
friendly little thing we do, well, it's a wonder with all the
crap that the pc world has to deal with that any of this stuff
works at all, and works as well as it does.

Hope my personal observations and candid monologue on my
personal experiences doesn't offend anyone, it sure wasn't
meant to.

My wife is using jaws almost exclusively now as she's more in to
the office stuff and it's a know fact that fs has been ahead in
that regard for years, much as we wouldn't want to admit it and
as much work as gwmicro has done with special tweaks for office.

Where window-eyes still shines is exploring new apps, seeing
tool tips, and general exploration especially with the older
operating systems.

When I was creating session drummer 3 hotspot clicker sets for
jaws I kept bouncing back to window-eyes to see what was under
the
mouse.

Jaws will do this too, but it's a bit more clunky, window-eyes
mouse navigation is more natural and immediate.

Well, if I have to make a choice, there will always be demo
copies of we around, and maybe we 8 will be the magic bean third
time's the charm right?

here's hoping.

My heart always goes out to the under dog, the little company,
and there is still a little bit of that left at gwmicro, not
much, but they are marginally better to deal with than FS, I
hope all of that doesn't go away.

But it's a terrible strain to maintain kindness and patience
when you've got a zillion blind folks yammering at you, and more
and more pressure put on just a few people, and I understand
this, but we dish out our money so we can do our work, and we
should have the right to expect results.

Well, mnot only have I not gotten results, but what I had to
begin with has been lessened, and made more troublesome to use.

So what can I say?

Probably nothing more of value at this point.

blessing everyone.


At 10:5
9 AM 11/22/2011, you wrote:
It's okay Tom, problems solved.
I got a system restore back 2 days, before this disaster; so
now I have Wineyes 7.5.1 again.
I wasted time trying to install 7.5.1 on top of 7.5.2 and got a
message that some hook or the other could not be set, so lost
speech at that point, but my wife did the restore.
Thanks for your help,
Indigo L



On 11/22/2011 9:19 AM, Tom Kingston wrote:
Make sure Show advanced options is on under the help menu.
Open the keyboard node and cursor down once to the voice node.
Then tab once for the speak options.

I've never had any problem with the backspace key.

I just tried Ctrl-Shift-R and got the same result as you. I
never noticed because I've never used it in a composition
window
before.

Hth,
Tom

On 11/22/2011 8:30 AM, Indigo wrote:
I just looked in the control panel, and that old setting of
speak characters, or whole words as you type seems not to be
there any more.
Next I'm going to get off the thunderbird.000 set file,
because it might be a new one they developed for 7.5.2; and
not the one I had developed myself in 7.5.1.
I do notice small improvements in thunderbird, the backspace
is more reliable, but the old read to end shortcut
control+shift+R now only reads the single sentence I'm on,
control+shift+and
not to the end, as before..
I wish I could type that blithring idiot noise the Three
Stooges used, you know, where you make a noise with your
mouth as youflip across your lips with a finger.
that's how I feel typing in this madness! smile.
Indigo L

On 11/21/2011 1:59 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
maybe it's something to do with keyboard settings; will
further look.
cheers
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo"
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To:<realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Running Winize 7.5.2, god
Help Me?


Nope, Roy.
Same double repeating with and without apps running.
It's not just speaking the character I just typed, or the
word, but the sentence I'm typing, cumulatively, from the
first word to the cursor position, instantly the very
nanosecond I pause typing.
Where is the setting to turn off speaking of typed words in
the W E control panel, do you know?
I used to know, but can't find it in this wonderful tree
view control panel.
Thanks,
Indigo L.

On 11/21/2011 12:03 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
does it have a script for ThunderBird?
if so , when setting the scripting status to Manual , does
this go away?
cheers
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo"
<33indigo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:<realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: [realmusicians] Running Winize 7.5.2, god Help Me?


Okay, here I am in the first moments with the new Winize
7.5.2 upgrade, and it's utter chaos in my Thunderbird.
It is reading every line twice immediately after I type
even a single character, never did that before.
I feel like I'm in some huge cave, with an echo repeating
every thing I say!
When I pressed the enter key to begin the upgrade, I felt
just like I do at the doctors, beginning some procedure
that could either take the disease away or take my life,
and all I can do is submit.
smile.
Now I gotta go into the tree structure of the once easy
Winize control panel and try to find a setting that will
shut down this maddening double echo One thing about
hearing everything twice, I sure have no doubt about what
I've written. smile.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
Indigo L

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