Not to start a war here, but have you configured and optimized
windows7 for
daw use? Also, what are your system specs?
Actually one of reason's new drawbacks is that protection system
they're now
using; it runs this code meeter service, which has these sparatic
spikes
from time to time, not to mention, it won't let go of your system,
even
after uninstalling reason and everything else...
On one of my test systems, a pentium dual core, the system
continually
ran
slow until I restored my preReason6 installation image.
I've been meaning to try it on xp, as I did the tests on win7, both
x86 and
64.
Regards, D!J!X!
-----Original Message-----
From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Indigo
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:44 PM
To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Running Winize 7.5.2, god Help Me?
No crackling on the I7 machine running any of those Reason demo
songs,
plus
playing along with them from midi keyboard.
System restore is still on on that machine, but I turned it off years
ago on
the slow old music machine I'm not worrying about excess latency or
anything
else on the new 64 bit I7, because in a little longer I'll put
Windows XP
Pro on a Samsung F3 and I'll be back in happy hog heaven; back on
stable XP
and good old predictable WindowEyes 6.1, but on a more powerful
machine.
I had no problem whatsoever getting 5 ms latency, even 3ms, on both
the Emu
PCI sound card and the PCIE Emu 1616m, on that slow old machine,
which
played 1 or 2 of Reason 6's devices just fine, it just couldn't cope
with
those demo songs, where 5 or 6 devices are running simultaneously.
I had fewer glitches in 32 bits Reason 6 than I do on a new computer
with
many times more power.
I'm not impressed with the stability of Win7 64.
it reminds me of my friend's 700 horsepower supercharged Corvette.
It might go 200 miles an hour, but his car went through a set of
crankshaft
bearings in a week.
How impractical is that?
Sorry, maybe I'll become a Mennonite, the horse and buggy approach is
more
peaceful. smile.
Indigo L
On 11/22/2011 8:18 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
> Indie, if your worried about crackling and latency in your audio
> though you might want it off on your music machines, it's
something to
consider.
>
> Why bog a race horse down with a sumo wrestler if you don't have to
'grin'.
>
> But if you like it, then it's golden.
>
>
> At 07:00 PM 11/22/2011, you wrote:
>> I'm not going to worry about System Restore being a resource
hog, it
>> saved me more than once now, and these four and 8 core machines
are
>> still plenty fast enough with System Restore running.
>>
>> On 11/22/2011 2:27 PM, Jack Conti wrote:
>>> Tell you what it has bailed me out about three times over the
last
year.
>>> windows just simply screws up sometimes and just bringing mhy
system
>>> back a day helped. it even fixed a window eyes issue for me
since i
>>> di a couple bad things <smile> At 02:19 PM 11/22/2011, you wrote:
>>>> I don't have system restore running all the time as it's a
resource
>>>> hog.
>>>>
>>>> It's not really the same thing as an image, only backs up
certain
>>>> files, it's a half assed microsoft thing no serious it person
uses it.
>>>>
>>>> Well, let's say would depend on it for a real backup.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 12:14 PM 11/22/2011, you wrote:
>>>>> Can't you do a system restore, back a couple of days, before
all
>>>>> this mess hit the fan?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/22/2011 1:05 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>>> You too huh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I lost my we 7.2 disk temporarily while the studio was
>>>>>> being built, so even though I owned window-eyes through 2
sma's a
>>>>>> good friend of mine lent me an iso so I could enjoy the
dubious
>>>>>> pleasures of being a paying beta tester 'grin'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess that's what we are with all this software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've come to the conclusion that we 7.2 was pretty good
>>>>>> especially after the refresh, then after all the furniture was
>>>>>> moved around it took a nose dive again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't have the luxury of having the option to go back to
751
>>>>>> and use my own copy of we.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After I found my copy burried in a box someplace, I guess I
>>>>>> didn't imediately rectify putting my own on all the machines,
and
>>>>>> so, I'm out of luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This all happened at the time when I felt I was really treated
>>>>>> badly by gwmicro, booted unsarimoniously off the beta team
>>>>>> because I stood up to Doug because all he wanted to hear
about at
>>>>>> the time were scripting issues, and I felt there were
important
>>>>>> issues with the core functionallity of we not being delt with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So i didn't feel like asking for another disk and handing
over 20
>>>>>> bucks, petty I know, but it really hurt at the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't care anymore, I think these access companies are
all the
>>>>>> same, some a little better than others, but when you run a
>>>>>> business, the bottom line is making a living.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug's going to make a whole lot more money selling new
copies of
>>>>>> window-eyes for as long as he can, and these little devices
which
>>>>>> he can resell and not have to baby-sit too much, and the
>>>>>> writing's on the wall, with w8 coming out with a pretty good
>>>>>> narrator, the mac coming on strong, and these little
>>>>>> screen-readers like nvda being nearly as good as the big guys
for
>>>>>> more work a day tasks, I think the screen-reader landscape is
>>>>>> gonna change and the survivors will have to do something
>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It won't be tomorrow, but
>>>>>> you know even fs has lowered their price for an sma, and they
>>>>>> never do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guess they're feeling the pinch too, so many blind folks
buying
>>>>>> macs now, and or using the free stuff?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cavvy course through sisco that Stephie is taking
recommended
>>>>>> nvda over jaws or window-eyes and you would be very
supprised at
>>>>>> how good that little reader is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the only thing it lacks is direct pixel control of where to
place
>>>>>> the mouse, you can't move by delta values yet, but it will
read
>>>>>> much stuff that is silent to window-eyes, especially in
windows
>>>>>> 7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is it that a little free or donation supported screen
reader
>>>>>> can be so stable and work so well, when the big guys are so
>>>>>> troublesome?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it the bloat factor?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think therecomes a time with any software when it reaches a
>>>>>> critical mass and then as features are piled on, and old code
>>>>>> isn't updated or taken out, it becomes less stable,
responsive,
>>>>>> and buggy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I'm no programmer, but I know enough to know how difficult
>>>>>> and elusive these things can be, especially with low level
stuff,
>>>>>> and the ever changing target of how to even hook in to
operating
>>>>>> systems, dcm, mirror drivers, ui and the whole nasty mess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so I don't think it's malice, I think gwmicro is trying to
>>>>>> survive, like a friend of mine pointed out, neglect and
>>>>>> disrespect can be mistaken for quiet desperation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug's got a payroll to make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> also, there's been a lot of personallity turn over over
there it
>>>>>> seems to me and one of the main programmers died too right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so, it would probably take a new programmer a lot of time to
come
>>>>>> up to speed with what is going on rather than someone who's
>>>>>> worked intimately with window-eyes through it's birth and
>>>>>> maturity and now it's cancerous degeneration 'grin', sorry,
just
>>>>>> having a little fun, don't get too mad at me Tom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> let's hope a little chemo therapy and prayer will bring it
back
>>>>>> and some super smarts like you have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boy, I'm writing this message with jaws, and notice I'm
getting
>>>>>> no missed typing characters which has always plagued me with
>>>>>> window-eyes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know I get in a hurry and make mistakes, but I'm a pretty
good
>>>>>> typer, if a lousy speller, but I get far more mistakes
trying to
>>>>>> type with window-eyes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No matter what I do, this never went away with any of my
hardware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A friend of mine kids me that I'm using too good hardware
and I
>>>>>> need to use amd chips as he's a fan of amd stuff, it's a
friendly
>>>>>> little thing we do, well, it's a wonder with all the crap that
>>>>>> the pc world has to deal with that any of this stuff works at
>>>>>> all, and works as well as it does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope my personal observations and candid monologue on my
personal
>>>>>> experiences doesn't offend anyone, it sure wasn't meant to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife is using jaws almost exclusively now as she's more
in to
>>>>>> the office stuff and it's a know fact that fs has been
ahead in
>>>>>> that regard for years, much as we wouldn't want to admit it
and
>>>>>> as much work as gwmicro has done with special tweaks for
office.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where window-eyes still shines is exploring new apps, seeing
tool
>>>>>> tips, and general exploration especially with the older
operating
>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I was creating session drummer 3 hotspot clicker sets for
>>>>>> jaws I kept bouncing back to window-eyes to see what was
under the
mouse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaws will do this too, but it's a bit more clunky, window-eyes
>>>>>> mouse navigation is more natural and immediate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if I have to make a choice, there will always be demo
>>>>>> copies of we around, and maybe we 8 will be the magic bean
third
>>>>>> time's the charm right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> here's hoping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My heart always goes out to the under dog, the little company,
>>>>>> and there is still a little bit of that left at gwmicro, not
>>>>>> much, but they are marginally better to deal with than FS, I
hope
>>>>>> all of that doesn't go away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it's a terrible strain to maintain kindness and patience
when
>>>>>> you've got a zillion blind folks yammering at you, and more
and
>>>>>> more pressure put on just a few people, and I understand this,
>>>>>> but we dish out our money so we can do our work, and we should
>>>>>> have the right to expect results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, mnot only have I not gotten results, but what I had to
>>>>>> begin with has been lessened, and made more troublesome to
use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what can I say?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably nothing more of value at this point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> blessing everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 10:5
>>>>>> 9 AM 11/22/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>> It's okay Tom, problems solved.
>>>>>>> I got a system restore back 2 days, before this disaster; so
now
>>>>>>> I have Wineyes 7.5.1 again.
>>>>>>> I wasted time trying to install 7.5.1 on top of 7.5.2 and
got a
>>>>>>> message that some hook or the other could not be set, so lost
>>>>>>> speech at that point, but my wife did the restore.
>>>>>>> Thanks for your help,
>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/22/2011 9:19 AM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>>>>>>>> Make sure Show advanced options is on under the help menu.
Open
>>>>>>>> the keyboard node and cursor down once to the voice node.
Then
>>>>>>>> tab once for the speak options.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've never had any problem with the backspace key.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just tried Ctrl-Shift-R and got the same result as you. I
>>>>>>>> never noticed because I've never used it in a composition
window
before.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2011 8:30 AM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I just looked in the control panel, and that old setting of
>>>>>>>>> speak characters, or whole words as you type seems not
to be
>>>>>>>>> there any more.
>>>>>>>>> Next I'm going to get off the thunderbird.000 set file,
>>>>>>>>> because it might be a new one they developed for 7.5.2; and
>>>>>>>>> not the one I had developed myself in 7.5.1.
>>>>>>>>> I do notice small improvements in thunderbird, the
backspace
>>>>>>>>> is more reliable, but the old read to end shortcut
>>>>>>>>> control+shift+R now only reads the single sentence I'm on,
and
>>>>>>>>> not to the end, as before..
>>>>>>>>> I wish I could type that blithring idiot noise the Three
>>>>>>>>> Stooges used, you know, where you make a noise with your
mouth
>>>>>>>>> as youflip across your lips with a finger.
>>>>>>>>> that's how I feel typing in this madness! smile.
>>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2011 1:59 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> maybe it's something to do with keyboard settings; will
>>>>>>>>>> further look.
>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo"
>>>>>>>>>> <33indigo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:44 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Running Winize 7.5.2, god
Help
Me?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>> Same double repeating with and without apps running.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's not just speaking the character I just typed, or the
>>>>>>>>>>> word, but the sentence I'm typing, cumulatively, from the
>>>>>>>>>>> first word to the cursor position, instantly the very
>>>>>>>>>>> nanosecond I pause typing.
>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the setting to turn off speaking of typed
words in
>>>>>>>>>>> the W E control panel, do you know?
>>>>>>>>>>> I used to know, but can't find it in this wonderful tree
>>>>>>>>>>> view control panel.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Indigo L.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2011 12:03 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> does it have a script for ThunderBird?
>>>>>>>>>>>> if so , when setting the scripting status to Manual ,
does
>>>>>>>>>>>> this go away?
>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <33indigo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:48 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [realmusicians] Running Winize 7.5.2, god Help
Me?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, here I am in the first moments with the new
Winize
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.5.2 upgrade, and it's utter chaos in my Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is reading every line twice immediately after I type
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even a single character, never did that before.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel like I'm in some huge cave, with an echo
repeating
>>>>>>>>>>>>> every thing I say!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I pressed the enter key to begin the upgrade, I
felt
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just like I do at the doctors, beginning some procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that could either take the disease away or take my
life,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and all I can do is submit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> smile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I gotta go into the tree structure of the once easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Winize control panel and try to find a setting that
will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut down this maddening double echo One thing about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing everything twice, I sure have no doubt about
what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've written. smile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indigo L
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For all your audio production needs and technology training,
>>>>>> visit us at
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.affordablestudioservices.com
>>>>>> or contact
>>>>>> Chris Belle
>>>>>> cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> Stephie Belle
>>>>>> stephieb1961@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> for customized web design
>>>>
>>>> For all your audio production needs and technology training,
visit
>>>> us at
>>>>
>>>> www.affordablestudioservices.com
>>>> or contact
>>>> Chris Belle
>>>> cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> or
>>>> Stephie Belle
>>>> stephieb1961@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> for customized web design
>>>
>
> For all your audio production needs and technology training,
visit us
> at
>
> www.affordablestudioservices.com
> or contact
> Chris Belle
> cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> or
> Stephie Belle
> stephieb1961@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> for customized web design
>
>
