[real-eyes] Re: e: Re: e: Fwd: Article: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones

I don't think the answer is that simple. See my previous response. 

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Turn To Smartphones

Yeah I kinda think that's just an excuse.  No offense meant gang! 
You do still need to know what the contractions mean, stand for.  
It's just some folks have a tough time with Braille.  Not everyone was uhm
lucky?? hehehe enough to learn it at an early age.  Which of course is the
best time to learn anything.  I but a good friend who learned it at the age
of two.


>My Very best to All on this rainy day in Texas
Jack
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>From: "Glenn" <GlennErvin@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:57:28 -0600
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Blind Turn To Smartphones

>That seems strange, to blame contracted Braille on poor spelling.
>You still need to know that dot 6 is  "A T I O N", for example.
>Glenn
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>Hmm, many of the Braille readers I know blame contracted Braille 
for their
>poor spelling.  I have no personal opinion on that as I learned 
Braille
>rather late in life and don't use it much.

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>To Smartphones

>I think for those who have problems spelling, using your fingers 
to lern
>words is one of the best ways to lern.  ttyl.

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>>A very partial list of uses for Braille that can't easily be 
replaced
>>by  speech would include things like making Labels, speaking 
notes,
>>higher  science and mathematics notation, learning to spell, 
diagrams,
>>maps, sheet  music, charts, tactile drawings, conjugating 
sentences, so
>>much more.
>> Anyone want to add to the list?  Some might  argue about 
labeling.
>> Talking
>> bar codes help a lot.  But who wants to take their electronic 
wand
>>into  the  elevator to look for floors, or the hotel for room 
numbers.
>>And why  should  you need an electronic aid fr something you can 
read
>>with your own senses.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jack and Becky
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:03 AM
>> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [real-eyes] e: Fwd: Article: Braille Under Siege As 
Blind
>> Turn To Smartphones

>> Well, just as a point of view, those of us who are deaf blind 
depend
>> on braille as a form of basic communication, without which we'd 
be in
>> a word, sunk.  There will ALWAYS be people who will use it, out 
of
>> necessity if nothing else.
>> My Best ! all
>> Jack


>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Terrie Lee <terrieiphone@xxxxxxxxx Date sent: Mon, 13 Feb 
2012
>>>19:57:53 -0600


>>>The wining keeps going on from the braille camp how braille is
>> declining and how many people just don't use the format any 
more.
>> As the world moves faster and faster, the use of braille will 
decline.
>> Will it ever vanish completely?  I don't think so.
>> If not, why aren't blind people using it as much.  Because of 
the size
>> of a braille book and because for large books braille is way to 
bulky
>> and not easily produced in mass.  The paper isn't even standard.  
It's
>> thicker and more costly.  The printed book is on the way out as 
well
>> and you should hear the wining.  There is nothing like the smell 
of a
>> new book.  True but that smell can be synthesized and made to go 
into
>> book readers.  As synthetic speech gets better and better, the 
day may
>> come when you won't be able to tell the difference between a 
real
>> human reading a book or a synthesized voice reading it.  I just 
don't
>> see Braille lasting as more then just a note taking means.  In 
my
>> opinion, save a tree, burn a braille boo
>>> k <grin> Just kidding!.

>>>Alan

>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Lisa belville
>>>http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/b
>> raille-under-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones





>>>February 13, 2012

>> Meagan VERLEE



>>>Audio for this story from All Things Considered will be available 
at
>>>approx.  7:00 p.m.  ET


>>>Transcript


>>>The National Federation of the Blind estimates that today only
>> one in 10
>>>blind people can read Braille.  That's down dramatically from the
>> early
>>>1900s.
>>>Steve Mitchell/AP

>>>The National Federation of the Blind estimates that today only
>> one in 10
>>>blind people can read Braille.  That's down dramatically from the
>> early
>>>1900s.

>>>Like a lot of smartphone users, Rolando Terrazas, 19, uses his
>> iPhone for
>>>email, text messages and finding a decent coffee shop.  But
>> Terrazas' phone
>>>also
>>>sometimes serves as his eyes: When he waves a bill under its
>> camera, for
>>>instance, the phone tells him how much it's worth.

>>>Terrazas is blind, and having an app to tell bills apart can be a
>> big help.
>>>For one thing, it means he doesn't have to trust clerks to give
>> him correct
>>>change.  Terrazas' daily life is full of useful technology like
>> this, but it
>>>also has a downside: The more he uses technology, the less he
>> uses Braille,
>>>the alphabet of raised dots that the blind read with their
>> fingers.

>>>"All through elementary school I used Braille," Terrazas says.
>> "But when I
>>>got a laptop, I switched over and I went away from Braille.  If
>> you don't use
>>>it, you lose it.  And that's what happened to me."

>>>Terrazas uses software that reads out loud what's on his computer
>> screen.
>>>These days, he's slowly re-learning Braille as a student at the
>>>Colorado Center for the Blind, south of Denver.

>>>The center puts a lot of effort into convincing students they
>> still need
>>>Braille to be independent and employable.  Director Julie Deden
>> says
>>>technology
>>>is making the nearly 200-year-old writing system more accessible
>> than ever.
>>>She shows off an electronic reader that's about the size of a
>> paperback.
>>>Instead
>>>of having to lug around massive volumes of printed braille, this
>> reader
>>>allows Deden to just sweep her fingers over little plastic nubs
>> that rise
>>>and fall
>>>with each line of text.

>>>Still, Deden worries that technologies like smartphones are also
>> masking a
>>>serious problem - Braille illiteracy.

>>>"People will let it go and they'll say: 'Well, you know, they're
>> not really
>>>illiterate.  They just don't really use Braille or print very
>> much, but
>>>that's
>>>just because they're blind,' " she says.  "I think that it's kind
>> of an out,
>>>and technically they really are mostly illiterate."

>>>Blind people choosing not to learn Braille is only one part of
>> the equation.
>>>Chris Danielsen with the
>>>National Federation of the Blind
>>>says his group is increasingly butting heads with school
>> districts trying
>>>to get out of federal obligations to provide a Braille teacher.

>>>"They will tend to say, 'Well we have screen magnification
>> software, we have
>>>all these tools available, and in light of that we don't think
>> it's
>>>necessary
>>>for a blind person to be taught Braille,' " Danielsen says.

>>>The federation estimates that today only one in 10 blind people
>> can read
>>>Braille.  That's down dramatically from the early 1900s.  Jackie
>> Owellet lost
>>>her
>>>sight as an adult, after an operation.  Standing in a cafe in a
>> Denver
>>>suburb, Owellet says learning to read Braille was the last thing
>> on her
>>>mind.

>>>"When am I ever going to use Braille? I'm never going to sit down
>> and read a
>>>novel in Braille.  You know, I'd rather download an audio book
>> from iTunes,"
>>>she says.

>>>But last year, while taking classes for her yoga instructor
>> certification,
>>>it became clear that having a mechanical voice reading off
>> teaching notes
>>>didn't
>>>make for a very soothing yoga experience.

>>>"So I realized there is a use for Braille," Owellet says.  "I
>> think everybody
>>>uses Braille in their own way.  You know, I think that everybody
>> finds what
>>>they need to use Braille for."

>>>Advocates for Braille are hoping blind people like Owellet will
>> continue to
>>>find enough reasons to keep their tactile system of writing
>> alive, even
>>>amidst
>>>the growing chorus of computer voices.

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>>>women are not complicated.  Seriously.  How hard is it to say
>> "you're pretty"
>>>and give us chocolate?
>>>Lisa Belville
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