[python] Re: Wheel size and centrifugal force
- From: Jürgen Mages <jmages@xxxxxx>
- To: python@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:48:44 +0200
Hello Tim,
You are right: I remember, that we had that subject some years ago und
we came to the conclusion that the gyroscopic effect has no big
influence in pythons. The websites that might be interesting are:
http://www.gyroscopes.org/math.asp
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mechanics/bicycle.html
Cheers,
Jürgen.
On 08.09.2007 04:40, 25hz wrote:
I remember the whole centrifugal force point came up a while back and
someone even managed to find a website that allowed you to enter a
bunch of parameters and calculate the force generated by a rotating
mass (wheel). It turns out that the highest forces are
felt/generated when all three rotational axis intersect. The
centrifugal force effect really drops off fast when you remove one of
the pivot axis and drops off even faster the further you move it from
the point the other axis intersect. In the case of the pythons, the
pivot is the "yaw" axis, the axle is the rotational axis, and the
front tire's contact patch with the ground is the roll axis. It's
fine to spin a wheel and feel the centrifugal effect, but when you
add the actual dynamics of the python's frame design, there's very
little effect left at all. The same rule applies to normal diamond
frame bikes. The mass of a spinning object has far more effect than
the size/diameter.
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I remember the whole centrifugal force point came up a while back and someone even managed to find a website that allowed you to enter a bunch of parameters and calculate the force generated by a rotating mass (wheel). It turns out that the highest forces are felt/generated when all three rotational axis intersect. The centrifugal force effect really drops off fast when you remove one of the pivot axis and drops off even faster the further you move it from the point the other axis intersect. In the case of the pythons, the pivot is the "yaw" axis, the axle is the rotational axis, and thefront tire's contact patch with the ground is the roll axis. It's fine to spin a wheel and feel the centrifugal effect, but when you
add the actual dynamics of the python's frame design, there's very little effect left at all. The same rule applies to normal diamond frame bikes. The mass of a spinning object has far more effect than the size/diameter.