[python] Re: Jaculus riding experience
- From: Henry Thomas <whpthomas@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: python@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:01:50 +1000
I am curious to what the deciding factor is for stability at speed. Is
the pivot angle or the trail the deciding factor?
I know that my trike (http://jetrike.com) is nothing like the python in
that is has positive trail, but I too have wrestled with stability
problems, and only now am I getting up to speeds above 50kph. Being FWD
with a moving bottom bracket, I figured that some of my observations
might share some commonality with the python.
My trike is a bit bi-polar in its behavior, in that if I lock my elbows
against my seat rails, and hold the handle bars rock solid, because my
trike maintains balance with its self centering effect, I can cheat
gravity. In this manor I can sprint and climb hills, but it
fundamentally changes the trikes behavior, and switching back to riding
in a relaxed mode causes a momentary fish-tail action and I just have to
stay relaxed to get out of it.
That being said, I prefer to spend most of my time riding around in the
relaxed mode, where my feet really do the steering, and my hands rest on
the handle bars. In that mode I have found that both cadence and crank
torque have a big impact on stability. If the cadence is too high, it
creates sympathetic harmonics in the drive train that cause shimmy. If
the gearing is too high, causing the crank torque to be high, it limits
the ability of the steering to self correct, and the trike will fail to
make appropriate course corrections, and so tends to wonder off course.
So there is a sweet spot somewhere in between, and I have to regularly
change gears to stay in it.
I have 150mm cranks, with a 44t and 60t chainring double on the front
with a 20" drive wheel. The 60t has improved down hill stability and
speed, because I no longer top out, I can keep a lower cadence and still
apply plenty of force on the pedals. Nevertheless, I also had to reduce
the wheel base to 1100mm, move my center of gravity back (its now about
50:50 weight distribution), raise the seat angle to 40°, and lower the
seat height to 250mm -- all of this to get it to work properly. I
originally had a seat angle of about 25°, but it was just terrible.
There was too much weight bias on the front wheel. I also used to have a
pivot angle of 55°, its now 65°, and the trail was reduced from +100mm
to about +40mm. Some of these changes were necessary because of my
trikes self-center geometry, but others were to improve the stability of
the FWD moving BB drivetrain.
The nice thing about steel is you can change your mind. The way I see
it, if your bike isn't handling well enough to ride then you have
nothing to loose cutting bits apart and making fundamental changes. Only
your once sleek frame will start to look Frankenstein-ish. These are
experimental designs, so you have to expect they will need a bit of fine
tuning. But its amazing what a difference a few changes can make. My
trike has gone from having fairly poor handling to actually working well
(within limits), it may not be perfect, but I ride it to work every day
and its a blast, and now that I am getting fitter -- it just gets faster
and faster.
-h
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