In a message dated 6/9/2004 8:52:30 PM Central Standard Time, ageless@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: So, I'm thinking about using recycled bike tubing instead of rectangular tubing.. I have built a couple of bikes using recycled bike frames. If you are careful, it seems to work all right! mark "I thought of it while riding my bicycle. A. Einstein "Ride like a knob, and you die!"