On 09.04.2012 01:33, Mike Power wrote: > Would a space frame be as strong and lighter weight the parrallel > 40x10x1.5mm bars? Stronger and lighter is possible. For the front side the space frame gives a great stiffness (zero flex). Also, using a space frame on the front side, you can try to be weight weenie by taking advantage that only a small part of the frame takes the hits from the road (only 4 tubes going from pivot to axle). The rest of the frame only needs to be stiff enough for pedaling. But building such a space frame is also much more work (I've build several). And like George says, the many joint mean there are more places where the frame can break (although it is the pivot area where it is most troublesome). An alternative design is going both ways. My first python was the baby python (http://www.python-lowracer.de/projects.html#p06). I first had 30x10x1.5mm tubing, but I found it that the frame was flexing to much. Adding 8mmx1mm round tubing framing on top (see the picture) made it stiff. It was very simple to add and didn't change the weight much. I think that baby python was one of the lighter pythons that way. Personally I have never tried 40mm tubing height, but I would be very surprised if it doesn't show flex too Dirk ============================================================ This is the Python Mailinglist //www.freelists.org/list/python Listmaster: Jurgen Mages jmages@xxxxxx To unsubscribe send an empty mail to python-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field. ============================================================