[pure-silver] Re: silver in b&w films
- From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 20:02:47 -0700
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From: "Janet Cull" <jcull@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 5:24 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: silver in b&w films
On May 31, 2008, at 6:14 PM, Ken Hart1 wrote:
When both Pan and Ortho films were in use, portrait
studios had two
kinds of makeup available in a 'cake' form, one type for
ortho
films and one type for pan films. The "pan-cake" was a
more natural
(compared to the ortho-cake) look.
That's pretty interesting. Not to sidetrack, but is that
really
where the term "pancake make-up" came from? Who'd a
thought??
Thank you, guys, answering my silver question.
Janet
No pancake makeup describes the appearance of the
makeup, i.e., as flat as a pancake.
Now, there was indeed panchromatic makup, used in the
early days of sound movies. The introduction of sound
changed absolutely everything from the very concept of what
a movie was to marketing and distribution and everything in
between.
At the end of the silent era most movie lighting was
done with carbon arc and mercury arc of the type known as a
Cooper-Hewitt lamp. These looked like large arrays of
fluorescent lamps except they put out lots of UV. Both types
of lamps were pretty efficient but mechanically and
electrically noisy. They could not be tolerated for sound
recording and had to be replaced with incandescant lamps
Inky's were much less efficient and had lots of output at
the red end of the spectrum. Arc lamps put out most of their
light in the blue, green and UV areas, so the type of film
had to be changed. Also, the light level from the
incandescent lamps was much lower.
The industry had moved from color blind film to
orthochromatic film (sensitive to blue and green) but many
cameramen did not like the look of early pan films. However,
if exposures were to be reasonable they _had_ to use pan.
Because most of this film was what Kodak classified as
Class-C panchromatic, a film with quite high red
sensitivity, the tone rendition of colored objects was not
satisfactory. In particular the combination of the high red
sensitivity and the high red output of the lighting
instruments resulted in weak separation of skin tones and
washed out looking faces. This was cured for a time by using
makeup in complimentary colors. The base makup was magenta
and lipstick was green. This may also have been the time
that sets were painted in unber colors resembling skin tones
to that the lighing could be arranged to separate the actors
from the background. If there was much color contrast it
could be very misleading about the results in monochrome.
Within a couple of years more balanced pan film was made
available and this bizzare makup disappeared. However, there
was later special makup for Technicolor. Technicolor was a
very good process but did not always reproduce colors as
desired. The idea was to test and find out what the original
color had to be to come out right on the screen. So,
Technicolor had a large database of information on how to
color sets, costumes, makeup, etc.
The reason filters were not widely used for tone
corection was mostly that the light levels were marginal to
begin with.
After several years the Mole-Richardson Co., a major
supplier of motion picture lighting equipment, made
available high-intensity arc lamps that were silent and
suitable for set lighting where sound recording was to be
done. One of the main reasons for this was the three-color
Techniclor process (about 1935) which required copious
amounts of light (around 1000 foot lambert) of approximately
daylight consistency. Here again there was a motivation for
the design of special makeup, mainly to get something that
would not melt and run in the tremendous heat.
For reference, normal set lighting is around 250 foot
lamberts and now maybe no more than half of that.
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On May 31, 2008, at 6:14 PM, Ken Hart1 wrote:
When both Pan and Ortho films were in use, portrait studios had two kinds of makeup available in a 'cake' form, one type for ortho films and one type for pan films. The "pan-cake" was a more natural(compared to the ortho-cake) look.
That's pretty interesting. Not to sidetrack, but is that really where the term "pancake make-up" came from? Who'd a thought??
Thank you, guys, answering my silver question. Janet
- [pure-silver] silver in b&w films
- From: Janet Cull
- [pure-silver] Re: silver in b&w films
- From: Dana H. Myers
- [pure-silver] Re: silver in b&w films
- From: Ken Hart1
- [pure-silver] Re: silver in b&w films
- From: Janet Cull