[pure-silver] Re: re-using DDX
- From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:19:55 -0800
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From: "Shannon Stoney" <sstoney@xxxxxxx>
To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:28 AM
Subject: [pure-silver] re-using DDX
I was reading the DDX bottle today and noticed the
following:
"For economy, DDX can be reused to process either a number
of films individually or multiple films in batches. If a
series of films is being developed in a spiral tank,
compensate for the loss of development activity after
developing the first film (or batch of films) by
increasing development time 10% for each successive batch.
This relies on the used developer...being poured back into
the working strength solution's storage bottle and mixed
with the fresh, unused part of the developer before
processing the next film/batch."
??? I don't get it. Pour the used developer back into
some fresh working solution and then add 10% to your
times? But, how much fresh developer? And how does that
save any money if you need fresh developer to do it?
--shannon
It is a bit indefinite.
Most developers can be used for more than one roll or
batch of film by extending time. Usually, there will be a
loss of shadow detail because of the accumulation of
reaction products. To a large degree this can be compensated
for by replenishment. Older developers use a separate
replenisher solution, some later developers are replenished
by adding more developer. T-Max RS is an example of this
type. I beleive Xtol can be replenished the same way.
For simple replenishment the replenisher is added
according to the area of film developed, the amount of
developer being carried off by the film assumed to be enough
so that the volume of the developer remains constant. This
method works better than simply re-using developer, however,
for consistency sensitometric tests must be made
periodically. This last is how photofinishing machines and
motion picture developing machines are operated. There is
still a difference between fresh developer and replenished
developer. In automatic machines a "developer starter" is
used to condition fresh developer to minize the difference
when new developer is being used. The starter adds what
amounts to reaction products to the fresh developer. This
method is simply too bothersome for low volume home
darkrooms.
You are right to be confused by Ilford's instructions
since the effect on development time on re-use depends on
the volume of used developer to the volume of fresh
developer. For instance, a single 8 oz tankfull of used
developer when added to 5 liters is likely to have
insignificant effect.
Ilford used to be pretty good at answering e-mail, it
would be worth a few minutes writing to them for
clarification.
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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"For economy, DDX can be reused to process either a number of films individually or multiple films in batches. If a series of films is being developed in a spiral tank, compensate for the loss of development activity after developing the first film (or batch of films) by increasing development time 10% for each successive batch. This relies on the used developer...being poured back into the working strength solution's storage bottle and mixed with the fresh, unused part of the developer before processing the next film/batch."
??? I don't get it. Pour the used developer back into some fresh working solution and then add 10% to your times? But, how much fresh developer? And how does that save any money if you need fresh developer to do it?
--shannon
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