[pure-silver] Re: pure-silver Digest V6 #130
- From: Les Myers <baroque-2@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:20:03 -0800
Re: Music
Listened to a new Morton Lauridsen CD and two of Beethoven's symphonies while
doing a printing session. The prints are lovely, thank you. So was the music.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 01:09:14 -0400 (EDT)
> To: ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: pure-silver Digest V6 #130
>
> pure-silver Digest Sat, 13 Jun 2009 Volume: 06 Issue: 130
>
> In This Issue:
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Music
> [pure-silver] Re: Music
> [pure-silver] Re: Music
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: Music
> [pure-silver] Re: Music
> [pure-silver] Re: Music
> [pure-silver] Re: Music
> [pure-silver] Re: Music
> [pure-silver] Re: Music
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: pure-silver Digest V6 #129
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> (no subject)
> [pure-silver] 4x10
> [pure-silver] Test
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> [pure-silver] Re: 4x10
> [pure-silver] Re: 4x10
> [pure-silver] Re: Music
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: Charles Hohenstein <chohenste@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:42:17 -0400
>
>> From: Speedy <speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:22:46 +0000
>>
>> PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> My vote - whatever it is worth is to keep this list devoted to Black
>> and White.
>>
>> If people want to create a second list that would be cool, and I
>> would certainly
>> want to be a member of a color list of the calibur of Pure Silver.
>>
>> Speedy
> I agree completely, except that I would not be interested in the color
> list. To me, black and white is synonymous with fine photography.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Peter Badcock <peter.badcock@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:43:11 +1000
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>
> Speedy, you stated that you would be interested in both lists, so what
> detriment (from your perspective) is there in combining them ?
> Despite you hoping otherwise unfortunately there would not be sufficient
> interest to maintain a colour list with the 'calibre' of Pure-Silver.
>
> regards
> Peter
>
> 2009/6/13 Speedy <speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>> PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> My vote - whatever it is worth is to keep this list devoted to Black and
>> White.
>>
>> If people want to create a second list that would be cool, and I would
>> certainly
>> want to be a member of a color list of the calibur of Pure Silver.
>>
>> Speedy
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:32:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eric Nelson <emanmb@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>
> Well my mailbox does not overfloweth w/P-S emails so if adding color to
> the mix brings in more members, then why not. Up till now, if I'd had a
> color question I'd probably have asked here but that is only because I
> didn't realize color was OT. If I had that much interest, I guess then I
> would probably pursue a list for color. The list owner decides what
> would change here and that decision either way is fine by me.
>
> I don't like searching through forums to find subjects of interest or
> ones where I can be of help because once I respond and I check the box to
> email me when new responses have come in, then I have to go back to that
> dang forum again when I get the alert.
> So I'm glad the P-S resource is available and comes to me instead of me
> having to look for it whether it has color in it or not.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:40:08 +0200
> From: <C.Breukel@xxxxxxx>
>
> Wouldn't mind "allowing" colour in, as long as the thread is clearly
> labelled, so if people are not interested they can easily hit the delete
> key..assume there won't be much traffic on colour anyway..
> Best,
>
> Cor
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:25:49 -0300
> From: stephen moss <swmoss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>
> I have no problems with colour add to the mix. The result of all the
> colours mixing will be black or white depending on the media we use to
> read the mail.
>
> Stephen
>
> --
>
> Stephen Moss
> Retired Tech Rat
> off the wheel and into the ball
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:47:23 +0000
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> From: elroustom@xxxxxxxxx
>
>> Wouldn't mind "allowing" colour in, as long as the thread is clearly
>> labelled,
>> so if people are not interested they can easily hit the delete key...
>> assume there won't be much traffic on colour anyway..
>
> It's not that hard to subscribe to both lists, and set your email
> software
> to filter the discussion into separate folders to be read and responded
> to
> separately... that's what I do. The PS list is so much more active than
> the
> Chroma list, but is that because there's fewer members, or because
> there's
> only so much less to discuss? In my very short time working with both b&w
> and color (soon adding digital, from professional necessity), I've found
> the old adage that "b&w is a medium, color is a process" to be mostly
> true.
> With color you're either on or off, there's not much time or temperature
> can add or subtract creatively - with b&w everything is up for
> manipulation, interpretation, and enjoyment. I'm not saying color is not
> really a medium, but that it is much more tool/process dependent, making
> truly developed work beyond the reach of most of our b&w darkrooms.
>
> I finally got what I need to venture into Ilfochrome printing. Only a
> busy
> family schedule (and a mite of cowardice) has held off my first attempt.
> I
> started discussing the adventure of acquiring the chemicals on the chroma
> list. While I wouldn't mind transferring the discussion to this list, I
> wonder what's wrong with all of us having subscriptions to more than one
> list?
>
> Hybrid photography should be part of the discussion here. It's an
> unavoidable part of photography now, and I find it enriches my darkroom
> work and experience, if only by contrast. It may be more appropriate as
> part of the Chroma list, as color hybrid work feels more "natural" - to
> me
> anyway. I know and respect that others feel differently.
>
> I vote for keeping the lists separate, but I acknowledge that it's
> difficult to separate, or fully justify the separation. What makes this
> list wonderful is the membership - you could all discuss the merits of
> beeswax vs. paraffin, and it would still be worth reading... sort of : )
>
> Elias
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:15:45 -0700
>
> It really doesn't matter to me either way under one condition. I= don't
> mind getting emails on color work. I don't mind either separat= e or
> combined. What I do mind is everytime someone asks something tha= t is
> coloror kind of a multi use question to get into flame wars and 1000 =
> emailssaying "that's off topic". If it is photographic related, I ca= n
> likely be fairly tolerant either way.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> From: elroustom@xxxxxxxxx
> Date: Sat, June 13, 2009 6:47 am
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> >Wouldn't mind "allowing" colour in, as long as the thread is clearly l=
> abelled,
> >so if people are not interested they can easily hit the d= elete key...
> >assume there won't be much traffic on colour anyway..>
>
> It's not that hard to subscribe to both lists, and set your= email
> software
> to filter the discussion into separate folders to be read a= nd responded
> to
> separately... that's what I do. The PS list is so much more= active than
> the
> Chroma list, but is that because there's fewer members, or= because
> there's
> only so much less to discuss? In my very short time workin= g with both
> b&w
> and color (soon adding digital, from professional neces= sity), I've
> found
> the old adage that "b&w is a medium, color is a proce= ss" to be mostly
> true.With color you're either on or off, there's not much= time or
> temperature can add or subtract creatively - with b&w everythi= ng is up
> for
> manipulation, interpretation, and enjoyment. I'm not saying co= lor is
> not
> really a medium, but that it is much more tool/process dependent= ,
> making
> truly developed work beyond the reach of most of our b&w darkr= ooms.
>
> I finally got what I need to venture into Ilfochrome printing.= Only a
> busy
> family schedule (and a mite of cowardice) has held off my firs= t
> attempt. I
> started discussing the adventure of acquiring the chemicals on= the
> chroma
> list. While I wouldn't mind transferring the discussion to this= list, I
> wonder what's wrong with all of us having subscriptions to more th= an
> one
> list?
>
> Hybrid photography should be part of the discussion her= e. It's an
> unavoidable part of photography now, and I find it enriches my d= arkroom
> work and experience, if only by contrast. It may be more appropriat= e as
> part of the Chroma list, as color hybrid work feels more "natural" - t= o
> me
> anyway. I know and respect that others feel differently.
>
> I vote= for keeping the lists separate, but I acknowledge that it's
> difficultto s= eparate, or fully justify the separation. What makes this
> listwonderful is= the membership - you could all discuss the merits of
> beeswax vs. paraffin,= and it would still be worth reading... sort of : )
>
> Elias
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:39:42 -0700
> From: "Kurt J. Griffin" <kjg@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>
> From: Speedy <<mailto:speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx>speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:22:46 +0000
>
> PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> My vote - whatever it is worth is to keep this list devoted to Black and
> White.
>
> If people want to create a second list that would be cool, and I
> would certainly
> want to be a member of a color list of the calibur of Pure Silver.
>
> Speedy
>
>
> I agree completely, except that I would not be interested in the
> color list. To me, black and white is synonymous with fine
> photography.
>
> I'll admit that after many years of taking only BxW, I've been
> playing with color a bit lately, myself. Although I wouldn't have an
> ideological issue with adding color to pure-silver, I would much
> rather keep separate lists for the practical purpose of organization
> and email filtering. With separate lists, it is much easier to
> follow threads and, when time it tight, triage which ones to read.
> I'm happy to join chroma.
>
> Kurt Griffin
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:56:43 -0400
> From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>
> Kurt J. Griffin wrote:
>> From: Speedy <<mailto:speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx>speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:22:46 +0000
>>
>> PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> My vote - whatever it is worth is to keep this list devoted to Black and
>> White.
>>
>> If people want to create a second list that would be cool, and I
>> would certainly
>> want to be a member of a color list of the calibur of Pure Silver.
>
> There is such a list:
>
> http://www.freelists.org/list/chroma
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: John Bower <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:01:35 -0400
>
> For my two cents worth, I agree. Keep the color and B&W lists separate.
> --
> John Bower, an Indiana Artisan
> http://www.studioindiana.com/
>
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Kurt J. Griffin wrote:
>
>> From: Speedy
>> <<mailto:speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx>speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:22:46 +0000
>>
>> PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> My vote - whatever it is worth is to keep this list devoted to
>> Black and White.
>>
>> If people want to create a second list that would be cool, and I
>> would certainly want to be a member of a color list of the calibur
>> of Pure Silver.
>>
>> Speedy
>>
>>
>> I agree completely, except that I would not be interested in the
>> color list. To me, black and white is synonymous with fine
>> photography.
>>
>> I'll admit that after many years of taking only BxW, I've been
>> playing with color a bit lately, myself. Although I wouldn't have
>> an ideological issue with adding color to pure-silver, I would much
>> rather keep separate lists for the practical purpose of
>> organization and email filtering. With separate lists, it is much
>> easier to follow threads and, when time it tight, triage which ones
>> to read. I'm happy to join chroma.
>>
>> Kurt Griffin
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>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:24:20 +0000 (GMT)
> From: John Stafford <john@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>
> Same here. There are color lists already.
> (I like your darkroom, John. It proves that simple is good; elegant.)
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2009, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: For my two cents worth, I
> agree. Keep the color and B&W lists separate.
> --
> John Bower, an Indiana Artisan
> http://www.studioindiana.com/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Elias Roustom <elroustom@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Music
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:35:26 -0400
>
> What do you listen to in your darkroom: iPod or vinyl? Nine Inch
> Nails or Handel?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:57:00 -0400
> From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Music
>
> Elias Roustom wrote:
>> What do you listen to in your darkroom: iPod or vinyl? Nine Inch
>> Nails or Handel?
>
> The gurgling of my print washer. The click of my print timer and my
> exposure
> timer.
>
> I do not care to listen to music at the same time as I am developing or
> printing. I prefer what I call quality music, that I will not specify
> here
> to avoid flame wars, and to listen to that, I need my stereo that is
> downstairs. Since my house has no basement, my darkroom is built into an
> otherwise unused bedroom upstairs.
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:55:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Charlie Thorsten <charlie_thorsten@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Music
>
>
> --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Elias Roustom <elroustom@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> What do you listen to in your
>> darkroom: iPod or vinyl? Nine Inch Nails or Handel?
>
> Pink Floyd on CD
> or NPR on the radio
> or Mozart
>
> This might sound cheesy, but I also like the soundtrack
> to the PBS American Experience documentary on Ansel Adams.
> Excellent piano. Kind of gets me in the mood. =)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:00:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sauerwald Mark <mark_sauerwald@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>
> Another vote for avoiding cross contamination.
>
> --- On Sat, 6/13/09, John Bower <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> For my two cents worth, I agree. Keep the color and B&W lists separate.
> .
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:14:28 -0400
> From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Music
>
> Charlie Thorsten wrote:
>> --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Elias Roustom <elroustom@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you listen to in your
>>> darkroom: iPod or vinyl? Nine Inch Nails or Handel?
>>
>> Pink Floyd on CD
>> or NPR on the radio
>> or Mozart
>>
>> This might sound cheesy, but I also like the soundtrack
>> to the PBS American Experience documentary on Ansel Adams.
>> Excellent piano. Kind of gets me in the mood. =)
>>
> I have never tried it, but I have a little boom-box I could use.
> Maybe I could play music by Conlon Nancarrow. His music is so complex it
> cannot be played by human beings, but it is very interesting. He tends to
> have many tempos going at the same time. One has 12 at once.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbOcMSnXu3g&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyRCdyNb3Eo
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C3-1DM6gs8&feature=related
>
> Actually, I do not think I could possibly pay attention to this and my
> photography at the same time.
>
> Maybe some toy piano:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMXVlJoHUSw
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLfAukxYDA8
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:27:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: JCowie <cblkdog@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Music
>
> I'm new to this group but print without music? Couldn't print without it.
> Blues, Jeff Beck, Clapton, Dead and more blues.
> Rgds/JC
>
> --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Music
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 6:14 PM
>
>
> Charlie Thorsten wrote:
>> --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Elias Roustom <elroustom@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you listen to in your
>>> darkroom: iPod or vinyl? Nine Inch Nails or Handel?
>>
>> Pink Floyd on CD
>> or NPR on the radio
>> or Mozart
>>
>> This might sound cheesy, but I also like the soundtrack
>> to the PBS American Experience documentary on Ansel Adams.
>> Excellent piano. Kind of gets me in the mood. =)
>>
> I have never tried it, but I have a little boom-box I could use.
> Maybe I could play music by Conlon Nancarrow. His music is so complex it
> cannot be played by human beings, but it is very interesting. He tends to
> have many tempos going at the same time. One has 12 at once.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[OcMSnXu3g&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyRCdyNb3Eo
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v<3-1DM6gs8&feature=related
>
> Actually, I do not think I could possibly pay attention to this and my
> photography at the same time.
>
> Maybe some toy piano:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMXVlJoHUSw
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLfAukxYDA8
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "K W Hart" <kwhart1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Music
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:57:28 -0400
>
> I can listen to most music, as long as it's not country or doesn't sound
> like two tractor-trailers having a knife fight!
> In my studio, I have a computer devoted to music. The audio output of the
> computer feeds the aux input of an ordinary stereo system. The music
> source
> is www.181.fm . They have perhaps twenty or so different 'channels' such
> as
> Lite 80's, Urban, Office, Classic Rock, etc. Some of the channels have no
> commercials, others have limited commercials. Be sure your computer's
> anti-virus and java is up to date.
>
> Ken Hart
>
> --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Music
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 6:14 PM
>
>
> Charlie Thorsten wrote:
>> --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Elias Roustom <elroustom@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you listen to in your
>>> darkroom: iPod or vinyl? Nine Inch Nails or Handel?
>>
>> Pink Floyd on CD
>> or NPR on the radio
>> or Mozart
>>
>> This might sound cheesy, but I also like the soundtrack
>> to the PBS American Experience documentary on Ansel Adams.
>> Excellent piano. Kind of gets me in the mood. =)
>>
> I have never tried it, but I have a little boom-box I could use.
> Maybe I could play music by Conlon Nancarrow. His music is so complex it
> cannot be played by human beings, but it is very interesting. He tends to
> have many tempos going at the same time. One has 12 at once.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbOcMSnXu3g&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyRCdyNb3Eo
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C3-1DM6gs8&feature=related
>
> Actually, I do not think I could possibly pay attention to this and my
> photography at the same time.
>
> Maybe some toy piano:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMXVlJoHUSw
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLfAukxYDA8
>
>
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>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: davestarr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Music
>
> Police scanner, talk radio, or MP3's on a laptop. Music is generally
> 50's & 60's rock.
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Retired Shop Rat - 14,647 days in a GM Plant
>
> Just when I think I've got things figured out, I regain consciousness.
>
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>
> --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Elias Roustom <elroustom@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> From: Elias Roustom <elroustom@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Music
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4:35 PM
>
> What do you listen to in your darkroom: iPod or vinyl? Nine Inch Nails or
> Handel?
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> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:22:46 -0400
> From: Bogdan Karasek <bkarasek@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Music
>
> Kelly Joe Phelps, "Blue Eyed Mister Zen", J.S.Bach, "Unaccompanied
> Cello Suites" played by Pablo Casals, Japanese Flute Music, Jefferson
> Airplane and Grace Slick singing "White Rabbit", ten copies on one
> CD. That's all I have in my darkroom.
>
> Unfortunately, I sometimes get caught up in the music and the print
> stays in the Dektol for 10 minutes :(
>
> That ever happen to you???? Sometimes, I have to work in complete
> silence.
>
> Good listening,
> Bogdan
>
>
>
>
>
> davestarr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> Police scanner, talk radio, or MP3's on a laptop. Music is generally
>> 50's & 60's rock.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
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>> Just when I think I've got things figured out, I regain consciousness.
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>>
>> --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Elias Roustom <elroustom@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Elias Roustom <elroustom@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Music
>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4:35 PM
>>
>> What do you listen to in your darkroom: iPod or vinyl? Nine Inch
>> Nails or Handel?
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Shannon Stoney <shannonstoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Music
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:27:17 -0500
>
> I listen to podcasts on an ipod plugged into some speakers.
>
> --shannon
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Elias Roustom wrote:
>
>> What do you listen to in your darkroom: iPod or vinyl? Nine Inch Nails
>> or Handel?
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:37:19 -0400
> From: Bogdan Karasek <bkarasek@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>
>
>
> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>
>> Richard Knoppow wrote:
>>
>>> I am beginning to wonder if this list should continue to be confined to
>>> B&W. The reasoning is that "chemical" color photography is based on the
>>> same silver emulsion technology as B&W. Since the whole field of
>>> chemical
>>> photography (my term) has shrunk so much since the introduction of
>>> electronic (digital) photography perhaps such restrictions should not
>>> continue. What say others?
>>>
>> I consider black-and-white photography and color photography to be two
>> different media that happen to use the same equipment and similar
>> processing. These days I am more likely to lump them together as
>> chemical
>> photography (that, perhaps, includes processes such as Polaroid -- I
>> am not
>> sure about that). In view of the huge swing to bicycling (inside joke)
>> --
>> digital photography, I think those interested in any form of chemical
>> (wet
>> process?) photography should unite just to keep a few black and white
>> films
>> and papers, and a few color films and papers, alive.
>>
>> Just because I think the two are different media (and my color work is
>> seriously inferior to my black and white work), that is no reason for
>> any
>> particular individual to practice only one.
>>
> Hi,
>
> What reasons are there that I should practice color??? Curious in
> Montreal.
>
> While I agree that colour and B+W are chemical, I would side with
> keeping them seperate; maybe have a "pure-silver B+W" and "Pure-silver
> Colour" under a chemical banner but then you would have to bring in all
> alt processes, since they are chemical also.
>
> Let's keep it B+W, my vote.
>
> Cheers,
> Bogdan
>
> --
> ________________________________________________________________
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> Montrial, Quibec bogdan(at)bogdanphoto.com
> Canada www.bogdanphoto.com
>
> "I bear witness"
> ________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:46:23 -0800
> From: Les Myers <baroque-2@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: pure-silver Digest V6 #129
>
> Re: color discussion on the list\
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but although I am a comparatively new subscriber to
> pure silver, I didn't know it was restricted to b&w. But b&w is all I do
> in the darkroom, so while I may pick up some tidbits about color
> processing, it is highly unlikely that I will engage in it in the
> darkroom. I vote for a separate "pure silver color" list with the same
> high quality of contributors that we enjoy and learn from in this group.
>
> FWMOIW (for what my opinion is worth...)
>
> Les Myers
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:09:20 -0400 (EDT)
>> To: ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: pure-silver Digest V6 #129
>>
>> pure-silver Digest Fri, 12 Jun 2009 Volume: 06 Issue: 129
>>
>> In This Issue:
>> [pure-silver] Re: Trap Focus
>> [pure-silver] Re: Trap Focus
>> [pure-silver] Re: Trap Focus
>> [pure-silver] Re: Trap Focus
>> [pure-silver] Re: Trap Focus
>> [pure-silver] Re: AZO and Benzotriazole for anti-fogging
>> [pure-silver] Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: AZO and Benzotriazole for anti-fogging
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: janet ness <nessj@xxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Trap Focus
>> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:32:09 -0700
>>
>> In the February 1998 issue of Photo Techniques is an article, "Trap
>> focus
>> is the Desert" by Roger Layton. He used a Pentax PZ-70 with a
>> "snap-in-focus" feature and a medium telephoto manual focus lens. When
>> the shutter was released, the AF system, which couldn't do anything with
>> a manual focus lens, wouldn't fire until an object entered the focusing
>> area and the camera judged it to be in focus. At the time of the
>> article, all Pentax autofocus cameras had this feature.
>>
>> Janet Ness
>>
>>
>>
>> From: mail1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Trap Focus
>> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:33:59 -0700
>>
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>> If you mean by trap focus you release the
>> shutter and when a moving object comes into focus the shutter trips.
>> Pentax has
>> the feature in both some select digital cameras and 35m/m auto focus
>> film
>> cameras.
>>
>> My Pentax K10D has this feature.. I think I remember an article in Photo
>> Techniques about the
>> Pentax ZX-5n trap focus feature. In the Pentax ZX-5n manual they call it
>> the ?snap
>> in focus function? ?When the subject comes to the point where the
>> lens was prefocused, the shutter automatically released?
>>
>> Jonathan Ayers
>> [mail1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ATIPPETT@xxxxxxx
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 3:40
>> PM
>>
>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Trap Focus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am looking for details on Trap
>> Focus. Sounds like a neat idea but I can not seem to find complete
>> plan.
>>
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>>
>> Google has lots of raves but each posting
>> lacks complete details/options Auto-focus lens vs manual focus.
>>
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>>
>> Also digital vs analog???
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>> I work with film so digital would be my
>> second choice if this is not possible with film.
>>
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>> Camera Choice
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>>
>> Lens suggestions
>>
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>> f-stop do's and
>> don'ts.
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>>
>> depth of field
>> thoughts
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>> Technical details
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>> Pit falls
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>> Other considerations.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Alan Tippett
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:01:11 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: John Stafford <john@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Trap Focus
>>
>> To the best of my knowledge, trap focus is strictly a digital camera
>> trick.
>> It is a custom function (at least in the Nikons) in which the shutter is
>> triggered when something moves into a preset focus range. (hence the
>> 'trap'
>> term).
>> I used pre-focus a lot in sports photography back in the sixties and
>> seventies, long before autofocus. You can do the same but, of course,
>> there'sno auto-magic about it.
>>
>> john
>>
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2009, ATIPPETT@xxxxxxx wrote: I am looking for details on
>> Trap
>> Focus. Sounds like a neat idea but I can not seem to find complete
>> plan.
>> Google has lots of raves but each posting lacks complete details/options
>> Auto-focus lens vs manual focus. Also digital vs analog??? I work
>> with
>> film so digital would be my second choice if this is not possible with
>> film.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:18:42 +0200
>> From: Horvath Krisztian <hkcsii@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Trap Focus
>>
>> It's not digital at all. At least AFAIK all Pentax AF film SLRs can be
>> used for trap focus, if you put a manual focus lens on. Set camera to
>> AF, and in the custom functions that only shoot if AF find things in
>> focus, and thats all. One more thing to mention, trap focus also works,
>> if you hold down the shutter release button, and turn the focusing ring
>> on lens. When AF finds focus, shutter will be triggered.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> John Stafford wrote:
>>> To the best of my knowledge, trap focus is strictly a digital camera
>>> trick. It is a custom function (at least in the Nikons) in which the
>>> shutter is triggered when something moves into a preset focus range.
>>> (hence the 'trap' term).
>>>
>>> I used pre-focus a lot in sports photography back in the sixties and
>>> seventies, long before autofocus. You can do the same but, of course,
>>> there's no auto-magic about it.
>>>
>>> john
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2009, *ATIPPETT@xxxxxxx* wrote:
>>>
>>> I am looking for details on Trap Focus. Sounds like a neat idea
>>> but I can not seem to find complete plan.
>>>
>>> Google has lots of raves but each posting lacks complete
>>> details/options Auto-focus lens vs manual focus.
>>> Also digital vs analog???
>>>
>>> I work with film so digital would be my second choice if this is
>>> not possible with film.
>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:19:34 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: John Stafford <john@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Trap Focus
>>
>>
>> Interesting! Thank you. I stand corrected.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2009, hkcsii@xxxxxxxxx wrote: It's not digital at all. At
>> least
>> AFAIK all Pentax AF film SLRs can be
>> used for trap focus
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: Speedy <speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Trap Focus
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:22:43 +0000
>>
>>
>> This was available on my Nikon F100 as a custom function.
>>
>> Speedy
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:01:11 +0000
>> From: john@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Trap Focus
>>
>> To the best of my knowledge, trap focus is strictly a digital camera
>> trick. It is a custom function (at least in the Nikons) in which the
>> shutter is triggered when something moves into a preset focus range.
>> (hence the 'trap' term).
>>
>> I used pre-focus a lot in sports photography back in the sixties and
>> seventies, long before autofocus. You can do the same but, of course,
>> there's no auto-magic about it.
>>
>> john
>>
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2009, ATIPPETT@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am looking for details on Trap Focus. Sounds like a neat idea but I
>> can not seem to find complete plan.
>>
>> Google has lots of raves but each posting lacks complete details/options
>> Auto-focus lens vs manual focus.
>> Also digital vs analog???
>>
>> I work with film so digital would be my second choice if this is not
>> possible with film.
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:21:52 -0400
>> From: "Michael A. Smith and Paula Chamlee"
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: AZO and Benzotriazole for anti-fogging
>>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Sorry it has taken so long to get back to you. The only developer we
>> use in Amidol. I haven't used D-72 since I worked with 35mm
>> negatives--and that would be 42 years ago.
>>
>> Unfortunately, we have no time for experimenting with things like
>> different developers. When we go into the darkroom there is not
>> enough time to print all the prints we need to make.
>>
>> We keep working--harder than ever and have lots of new work. We may
>> get to LA in August and if we do, maybe we can meet up.
>>
>> A handshake,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael A. Smith and Paula
>> >Chamlee" <michaelandpaula@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:06 PM
>> >Subject: [pure-silver] Re: AZO and Benzotriazole for anti-fogging
>>>
>> >>Greeting Richard. It has been a long time. The amount of KBr I
>> >>recommend is to get the "right" print color, at least to my eyes.
>> >>Other factors are secondary.
>>>>
>> >>Michael A. Smith
>>>>
>>> Too long. I am still in there pitching for Fox TV, I wish I
>> >could afford to retire.
>>> Have you and Paula ever experimented with a Phenidone based
>> >developer for Azo or one using ascorbic acid in place of the
>> >hydroquinone in Dektol? I think it is the hydroquinone that is
>> >mainly responsible for the greenish tinge in Dektol. AFAIK the only
>> >Phenidone/ascorbic acid developer available commercially was made by
>> >Agfa Neutol Plus but I am not absolutely sure of its contents.
>> >Amidol works well without carbonate because it is the most powerful
>> >of the developing agents. Others need an accelerator more alkaline
>> >than sulfite. Since Amidol is not readily available it might be
>> >useful to see if some variation on a standard formula could be made
>> >to approximate it, at least to get the green out.
>>> I've also seen sodium carbonate blamed for the green. It would
>> >be interesting to make up something like D-72 with potassium
>> >carbonate or with sodium metaborate to see what difference, if any,
>> >it makes. Curiously, the green tinge does not seem to show up in any
>> >paper in the Kodak sample books I have. Maybe heat drying did it.
>>>
>> >--
>> >Richard Knoppow
>> >Los Angeles, CA, USA
>> >dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:47:08 -0500
>> From: Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Beautiful Photography
>>
>> ... even if it is in color:
>>
>> http://public.fotki.com/JohNik/net/lj/dima-chatrov/
>>
>>
>> --
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: AZO and Benzotriazole for anti-fogging
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:28:45 -0700
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael A. Smith and Paula Chamlee"
>> <michaelandpaula@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:21 PM
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: AZO and Benzotriazole for
>> anti-fogging
>>
>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> Sorry it has taken so long to get back to you. The only
>>> developer we use in Amidol. I haven't used D-72 since I
>>> worked with 35mm negatives--and that would be 42 years
>>> ago.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, we have no time for experimenting with
>>> things like different developers. When we go into the
>>> darkroom there is not enough time to print all the prints
>>> we need to make.
>>>
>>> We keep working--harder than ever and have lots of new
>>> work. We may get to LA in August and if we do, maybe we
>>> can meet up.
>>>
>>> A handshake,
>>>
>>> Michael
>> And a handshake back. Give me a head's up when you have
>> definite plans. My time is not always predictible but I
>> would very much like to get together again.
>>
>> --
>> Richard Knoppow
>> Los Angeles, CA, USA
>> dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:36:44 -0700
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Daneliuk" <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <undisclosed-recipients:>
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:47 PM
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Beautiful Photography
>>
>>
>>> ... even if it is in color:
>>>
>>> http://public.fotki.com/JohNik/net/lj/dima-chatrov/
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>>
>> I am beginning to wonder if this list should continue
>> to be confined to B&W. The reasoning is that "chemical"
>> color photography is based on the same silver emulsion
>> technology as B&W. Since the whole field of chemical
>> photography (my term) has shrunk so much since the
>> introduction of electronic (digital) photography perhaps
>> such restrictions should not continue. What say others?
>>
>> --
>> Richard Knoppow
>> Los Angeles, CA, USA
>> dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:41:51 -0500
>> From: Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> Richard Knoppow wrote:
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Daneliuk"
>>> <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <undisclosed-recipients:>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:47 PM
>>> Subject: [pure-silver] Beautiful Photography
>>>
>>>
>>>> ... even if it is in color:
>>>>
>>>> http://public.fotki.com/JohNik/net/lj/dima-chatrov/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>>>
>>> I am beginning to wonder if this list should continue to be
>>> confined to B&W. The reasoning is that "chemical" color photography is
>>> based on the same silver emulsion technology as B&W. Since the whole
>>> field of chemical photography (my term) has shrunk so much since the
>>> introduction of electronic (digital) photography perhaps such
>>> restrictions should not continue. What say others?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> When I originally conceived Pure-Silver, there was no good B&W
>> oriented forum around other than the very noisy rec.photo* groups
>> on USENET. I later added the chroma and silver-bits mailing lists
>> which never got any real traction. But things - as you say -
>> are rather different today. It seems to me that with chemical
>> photography really shrinking, there is strength in numbers and
>> that we should embrace all manner of chemical photography including
>> traditional techniques, color, and even chemical-digital hybrids.
>> If and when the traffic becomes large enough to be a nuisance,
>> another mailing list can always be instantiated.
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:47:27 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: "Dr. Benjamin R. McRee" <ben.mcree@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> As a long-time black and white worker who has begun to do wet color work
>> in the last year, I would welcome the addition of color discussion. I'm
>> not sure I would have had the confidence to venture into color without
>> the resources available in the color forum on APUG.
>>
>> --Ben
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:36:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Daneliuk" <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <undisclosed-recipients:>
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:47 PM
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Beautiful Photography
>>
>>
>>> ... even if it is in color:
>>>
>>> http://public.fotki.com/JohNik/net/lj/dima-chatrov/
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>>
>> I am beginning to wonder if this list should continue
>> to be confined to B&W. The reasoning is that "chemical"
>> color photography is based on the same silver emulsion
>> technology as B&W. Since the whole field of chemical
>> photography (my term) has shrunk so much since the
>> introduction of electronic (digital) photography perhaps
>> such restrictions should not continue. What say others?
>>
>> --
>> Richard Knoppow
>> Los Angeles, CA, USA
>> dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
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>> account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you
>> subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:47:58 -0400
>> From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> Richard Knoppow wrote:
>>
>>> I am beginning to wonder if this list should continue to be confined to
>>> B&W. The reasoning is that "chemical" color photography is based on the
>>> same silver emulsion technology as B&W. Since the whole field of
>>> chemical
>>> photography (my term) has shrunk so much since the introduction of
>>> electronic (digital) photography perhaps such restrictions should not
>>> continue. What say others?
>>>
>> I consider black-and-white photography and color photography to be two
>> different media that happen to use the same equipment and similar
>> processing. These days I am more likely to lump them together as
>> chemical
>> photography (that, perhaps, includes processes such as Polaroid -- I am
>> not
>> sure about that). In view of the huge swing to bicycling (inside joke)
>> --
>> digital photography, I think those interested in any form of chemical
>> (wet
>> process?) photography should unite just to keep a few black and white
>> films
>> and papers, and a few color films and papers, alive.
>>
>> Just because I think the two are different media (and my color work is
>> seriously inferior to my black and white work), that is no reason for
>> any
>> particular individual to practice only one.
>>
>> --
>> .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
>> /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
>> /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:16:06 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Charlie Thorsten <charlie_thorsten@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>>
>> I worked for almost ten years in the color darkroom before
>> digital printing took over the industry. I think discussion
>> of chemical color processes would be fun, although I don't
>> know how much would actually occur. Tim created the Chroma
>> list for just that purpose, but it didn't get the following
>> of pure-silver. Perhaps allowing color discussion on pure-
>> silver would help everyone "band together".
>>
>> I would welcome discussion of color films and printing,
>> especially if there are any Cibachrome printers out there.
>> Jim, are you still working with Ciba/Ilfochrome? I'd also
>> like to hear from those working with RA4. I started out
>> working with transparencies, but I was always amazed at the
>> "natural" quality of a good print from a large format color
>> negative.
>>
>> -Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> I am beginning to wonder if this list should continue to be
>> confined
>> to B&W. The reasoning is that "chemical" color photography is based on
>> the same silver emulsion technology as B&W. Since the whole field of
>> chemical photography (my term) has shrunk so much since the introduction
>> of electronic (digital) photography perhaps such restrictions should not
>> continue. What say others?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:21:03 -0700
>> From: Peter De Smidt <pdesmidt@xxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> I'm in favor of including color processes.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:25:20 -0700
>> From: "Dana H. Myers" <dana.myers@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>>
>>> When I originally conceived Pure-Silver, there was no good B&W
>>> oriented forum around other than the very noisy rec.photo* groups
>>> on USENET. I later added the chroma and silver-bits mailing lists
>>> which never got any real traction. But things - as you say -
>>> are rather different today. It seems to me that with chemical
>>> photography really shrinking, there is strength in numbers and
>>> that we should embrace all manner of chemical photography including
>>> traditional techniques, color, and even chemical-digital hybrids.
>>
>> Complete agreement from me.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:25:52 +0200
>> From: Claudio Bonavolta <claudio@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> No problem for me to see either color, hybrid or alternative processes
>> in
>> this mailing-list ...
>>
>> Claudio Bonavolta
>> http://www.bonavolta.ch
>>
>> ----- Message d'origine -----
>> De: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:36:44 -0700
>> Sujet: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> @: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>>
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Tim Daneliuk" <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >To: <undisclosed-recipients:>
>> >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:47 PM
>> >Subject: [pure-silver] Beautiful Photography
>>>
>>>
>>>> ... even if it is in color:
>>>>
>>>> http://public.fotki.com/JohNik/net/lj/dima-chatrov/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>>>
>>> I am beginning to wonder if this list should continue
>> >to be confined to B&W. The reasoning is that "chemical"
>> >color photography is based on the same silver emulsion
>> >technology as B&W. Since the whole field of chemical
>> >photography (my term) has shrunk so much since the
>> >introduction of electronic (digital) photography perhaps
>> >such restrictions should not continue. What say others?
>>>
>> >--
>> >Richard Knoppow
>> >Los Angeles, CA, USA
>> >dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>> >=============================================================================================================
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>> your
>> account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you
>> subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "David Swinnard" <davidswinnard@xxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:26:23 -0700
>>
>> FWIW, so am I.
>>
>> I keep being tempted to stray back into 4x5 colour neg. territory after
>> leaving it behind when I stopped working commerically (late '80s), but
>> doing
>> the C-41 processing myself. So far I've resisted, but perhaps if the
>> talk
>> here starts to include it, I might actually get off the fence and have a
>> bash at it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter De Smidt
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:21 PM
>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> I'm in favor of including color processes.
>> ============================================================================
>> ===================
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "K W Hart" <kwhart1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:20:13 -0400
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Daneliuk" <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:41 PM
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>>
>>> Richard Knoppow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Daneliuk"
>>>> <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <undisclosed-recipients:>
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:47 PM
>>>> Subject: [pure-silver] Beautiful Photography
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ... even if it is in color:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://public.fotki.com/JohNik/net/lj/dima-chatrov/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>>>>
>>>> I am beginning to wonder if this list should continue to be
>>>> confined to B&W. The reasoning is that "chemical" color photography is
>>>> based on the same silver emulsion technology as B&W. Since the whole
>>>> field of chemical photography (my term) has shrunk so much since the
>>>> introduction of electronic (digital) photography perhaps such
>>>> restrictions should not continue. What say others?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> When I originally conceived Pure-Silver, there was no good B&W
>>> oriented forum around other than the very noisy rec.photo* groups
>>> on USENET. I later added the chroma and silver-bits mailing lists
>>> which never got any real traction. But things - as you say -
>>> are rather different today. It seems to me that with chemical
>>> photography really shrinking, there is strength in numbers and
>>> that we should embrace all manner of chemical photography including
>>> traditional techniques, color, and even chemical-digital hybrids.
>>> If and when the traffic becomes large enough to be a nuisance,
>>> another mailing list can always be instantiated.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>>
>>
>> I agree with the responders so far. IMHO, both B&W and color are based
>> on
>> a
>> silver emulsion, and color work is a lot easier if you have a basic
>> grounding in B&W. If there is to be a vote, I vote in favor of merging
>> the
>> lists into one.
>> I just hope that it's a long time before a silver-based mailing list
>> needs
>> to be merged with another fine list, IDCC!
>>
>> (BTW Mr Daneliuk, your recent five point post regarding maturing as an
>> artist is hanging on my darkroom wall right beside the ring-around.)
>>
>> Ken Hart
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:44:57 -0400
>>
>> Don't forget that there is the Chroma (not sure if that is the right
>> name)
>> list but, come to think of it, I haven't seen a posting from them in a
>> while. The last major thread for which I received postings was an
>> extended
>> discussion of Ciba/Ilfo-chrome and where to get chemistry.
>> Should we approach them about combining? No opinion here, just an idea.
>> CHEERS!
>> BOB
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Swinnard
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:26 PM
>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc: David Swinnard
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> FWIW, so am I.
>>
>> I keep being tempted to stray back into 4x5 colour neg. territory after
>> leaving it behind when I stopped working commerically (late '80s), but
>> doing
>> the C-41 processing myself. So far I've resisted, but perhaps if the
>> talk
>> here starts to include it, I might actually get off the fence and have a
>> bash at it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter De Smidt
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:21 PM
>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> I'm in favor of including color processes.
>> ============================================================================
>> ===================
>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: Speedy <speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:22:46 +0000
>>
>> PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> My vote - whatever it is worth is to keep this list devoted to Black and
>> White.
>>
>> If people want to create a second list that would be cool, and I would
>> certainly
>> want to be a member of a color list of the calibur of Pure Silver.
>>
>> Speedy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:36:44 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tim Daneliuk" <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <undisclosed-recipients:>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:47 PM
>>> Subject: [pure-silver] Beautiful Photography
>>>
>>>
>>>> ... even if it is in color:
>>>>
>>>> http://public.fotki.com/JohNik/net/lj/dima-chatrov/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>>>
>>> I am beginning to wonder if this list should continue
>>> to be confined to B&W. The reasoning is that "chemical"
>>> color photography is based on the same silver emulsion
>>> technology as B&W. Since the whole field of chemical
>>> photography (my term) has shrunk so much since the
>>> introduction of electronic (digital) photography perhaps
>>> such restrictions should not continue. What say others?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Knoppow
>>> Los Angeles, CA, USA
>>> dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
> ============================================================================================================>
>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to
>>> your
>>> account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you
>>> subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.
>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: KironKid@xxxxxxx
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:25:13 EDT
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> I concur with Speedy.
>>
>> KK
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/12/09 3:23:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> speedgraphic@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>> PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> My vote - whatever it is worth is to keep this list devoted to Black
>> and
>> White.
>>
>> If people want to create a second list that would be cool, and I would
>> certainly
>> want to be a member of a color list of the calibur of Pure Silver.
>>
>> Speedy
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "K W Hart" <kwhart1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:56:48 -0400
>>
>> Reversal product is just as silver-based as B&W film. I vote to merge
>> them
>> all together.
>> And to Mr Swinnard-- get off the fence and jump right in, the
>> developer's
>> at
>> 100F!
>>
>> Ken Hart
>>
>>> Don't forget that there is the Chroma (not sure if that is the right
>>> name)
>>> list but, come to think of it, I haven't seen a posting from them in a
>>> while. The last major thread for which I received postings was an
>>> extended
>>> discussion of Ciba/Ilfo-chrome and where to get chemistry.
>>> Should we approach them about combining? No opinion here, just an
>>> idea.
>>> CHEERS!
>>> BOB
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Swinnard
>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:26 PM
>>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Cc: David Swinnard
>>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>>
>>> FWIW, so am I.
>>>
>>> I keep being tempted to stray back into 4x5 colour neg. territory after
>>> leaving it behind when I stopped working commerically (late '80s), but
>>> doing
>>> the C-41 processing myself. So far I've resisted, but perhaps if the
>>> talk
>>> here starts to include it, I might actually get off the fence and have
>>> a
>>> bash at it.
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:50:03 -0500
>> From: Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> K W Hart wrote:
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Daneliuk"
>>> <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:41 PM
>>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>>
>>>
>>>> Richard Knoppow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Daneliuk"
>>>>> <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <undisclosed-recipients:>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:47 PM
>>>>> Subject: [pure-silver] Beautiful Photography
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ... even if it is in color:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://public.fotki.com/JohNik/net/lj/dima-chatrov/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>>>>>
>>>>> I am beginning to wonder if this list should continue to be
>>>>> confined to B&W. The reasoning is that "chemical" color photography
>>>>> is
>>>>> based on the same silver emulsion technology as B&W. Since the whole
>>>>> field of chemical photography (my term) has shrunk so much since the
>>>>> introduction of electronic (digital) photography perhaps such
>>>>> restrictions should not continue. What say others?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I originally conceived Pure-Silver, there was no good B&W
>>>> oriented forum around other than the very noisy rec.photo* groups
>>>> on USENET. I later added the chroma and silver-bits mailing lists
>>>> which never got any real traction. But things - as you say -
>>>> are rather different today. It seems to me that with chemical
>>>> photography really shrinking, there is strength in numbers and
>>>> that we should embrace all manner of chemical photography including
>>>> traditional techniques, color, and even chemical-digital hybrids.
>>>> If and when the traffic becomes large enough to be a nuisance,
>>>> another mailing list can always be instantiated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with the responders so far. IMHO, both B&W and color are based
>>> on a silver emulsion, and color work is a lot easier if you have a
>>> basic
>>> grounding in B&W. If there is to be a vote, I vote in favor of merging
>>> the lists into one.
>>> I just hope that it's a long time before a silver-based mailing list
>>> needs to be merged with another fine list, IDCC!
>>>
>>> (BTW Mr Daneliuk, your recent five point post regarding maturing as an
>>> artist is hanging on my darkroom wall right beside the ring-around.)
>>>
>>
>> Wow - that's two of you. Perhaps I should have charged for my
>> "wisdom" :)
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: Peter Badcock <peter.badcock@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:33:26 +1000
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>>
>> Thanks Tim,
>> Those photos have a vivid variety of colours. I was unable to find any
>> information about the type of film used. Here
>> <http://tinyurl.com/ndqgw4>
>> is
>> the photographer's blog translated from Russian into English.
>> I support the idea of merging the B&W and Colour discussions together.
>>
>> regards
>> Peter
>>
>> 2009/6/13 Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>> ... even if it is in color:
>>>
>>> http://public.fotki.com/JohNik/net/lj/dima-chatrov/
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> End of pure-silver Digest V6 #129
>> *********************************
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:22:43 -0700
> From: Daniel Williams <dtwilliams3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>
>
>
> elroustom@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> - you could all discuss the merits of beeswax vs. paraffin, and it
>> would still be worth reading... sort of : )
>>
>> Elias
> Beeswax vs. paraffin? Hummm. I don't know, Elias, I think that is off
> topic and belongs on the Alt list. ;-)
>
> Dan Williams
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Ron Klein <rskmd83@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:24:40 -0400
> Subject: (no subject)
>
> Pocasts, music and NPR
>
> Ron Klein
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Ron Klein <rskmd83@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] 4x10
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:30:57 -0400
>
> Just purchased a fotomanan 4x10 with 120mm cone. Plan to contact print
> on silver and platinum.
> Anyone using this format? Any wisdom out there?
>
> Ron Klein
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Ron Klein <rskmd83@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Test
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:39:46 -0400
>
> Please
> Excuse test.
>
> Ron Klein
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:58:27 -0400
> From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
>
> Bogdan Karasek wrote:
>>
>> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>>
>>> I consider black-and-white photography and color photography to be two
>>> different media that happen to use the same equipment and similar
>>> processing. These days I am more likely to lump them together as
>>> chemical
>>> photography (that, perhaps, includes processes such as Polaroid -- I
>>> am not
>>> sure about that). In view of the huge swing to bicycling (inside joke)
>>> --
>>> digital photography, I think those interested in any form of chemical
>>> (wet
>>> process?) photography should unite just to keep a few black and white
>>> films
>>> and papers, and a few color films and papers, alive.
>>>
>>> Just because I think the two are different media (and my color work is
>>> seriously inferior to my black and white work), that is no reason for
>>> any
>>> particular individual to practice only one.
>>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What reasons are there that I should practice color??? Curious in
>> Montreal.
>
> I do not think anyone _should_. I just think anyone should be allowed to
> (as
> if we could prevent it anyway).
>
> --
> .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
> /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
> /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
> ^^-^^ 20:55:01 up 1 day, 21:44, 3 users, load average: 4.37, 4.31, 4.28
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:51:21 -0400
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Beautiful Photography
> From: harry kalish <hksvk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Yes, that would work best---if the color threads were clearly labeled as
> such. ---Harry
>
> On 6/13/09 7:40 AM, "C.Breukel@xxxxxxx" <C.Breukel@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't mind "allowing" colour in, as long as the thread is clearly
>> labelled,
>> so if people are not interested they can easily hit the delete
>> key..assume
>> there won't be much traffic on colour anyway..
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Cor
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Frank Filippone" <red735i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: 4x10
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:30:33 -0700
>
> Do you have a darkroom to cut the 8x10 film into the 4x10 dimensions?
> Make up a cutting board of some type so you do not cut off your fingers
> when
> you cut your film.
>
> Processing.... ???? BTZS type tubes? Deep tanks and 4x5 hangers? ( I am
> more curious than experienced....)
>
> Frank Filippone
> red735i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Just purchased a fotomanan 4x10 with 120mm cone. Plan to contact print
> on silver and platinum.
> Anyone using this format? Any wisdom out there?
>
> Ron Klein
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:44:12 -0400
> From: "Michael A. Smith and Paula Chamlee"
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: 4x10
>
> If you are going to make 4x10 contact prints you should print on
> silver chloride paper to get the most beautiful prints--deep blacks,
> long gray scale.
>
> The last silver chloride paper was Azo, now gone. I am having another
> silver chloride paper made. See:
> http://www.michaelandpaula.com/mp/newpaper.html
>
> Michael A. Smith
>
>
> >Do you have a darkroom to cut the 8x10 film into the 4x10 dimensions?
> >Make up a cutting board of some type so you do not cut off your fingers
> when
> >you cut your film.
>>
> >Processing.... ???? BTZS type tubes? Deep tanks and 4x5 hangers? ( I
> am
> >more curious than experienced....)
>>
> >Frank Filippone
> >red735i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Just purchased a fotomanan 4x10 with 120mm cone. Plan to contact print
> >on silver and platinum.
> >Anyone using this format? Any wisdom out there?
>>
> >Ron Klein
>>
>>
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:06:06 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Thorns <puresilver@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Music
>
> I got some 2.1 Klipsch speakers and ran cable from a computer into
> the darkroom. Tuned to Pandora radio (on the Net). Allows me to
> program my own stations (to a degree). I have several stations
> pre-programmed, so I can choose based on mood.
>
> Female voice: Kate Bush, Tori Amos, Sarah Fimm, Jen Scaturro
> 80s 90s wave: Thomas Dolby, Ultravox, Depeche Mode, Royksopp
> 20s 30s jazz: Fats Waller, Jelly Roll Morton, Louis Armstrong, Teddy
> Wilson
>
>
> >I can listen to most music, as long as it's not country or doesn't
> >sound like two tractor-trailers having a knife fight!
> >In my studio, I have a computer devoted to music. The audio output
> >of the computer feeds the aux input of an ordinary stereo system.
> >The music source is www.181.fm . They have perhaps twenty or so
> >different 'channels' such as Lite 80's, Urban, Office, Classic Rock,
> >etc. Some of the channels have no commercials, others have limited
> >commercials. Be sure your computer's anti-virus and java is up to
> >date.
>>
> >Ken Hart
>
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>
> End of pure-silver Digest V6 #130
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