The Helga is a rather rudimentary camera. My question: If the labor of developing and printing is the same for negatives produced by a better camera of the same film format, why not spend a few bucks for the better camera, albeit a good used one. More will come on the market at even less cost as the public becomes victim of the digital craze. Bob -----Original Message----- From: mblackwell1958@xxxxxxxxx To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 8:36 PM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: donuts on prints Shannon The first word that caught my eye was the word Holga. First thing I would check is the negative itself to see if the ring is on the negative as well. If you are unsure, the next step would be to try and contact print the negative and see if they rings appear there. A contact print eliminates almost all if not all the other variables you were concerned about. Are they still there? Holgas are famous for things like light leaks, lens flare, and I think I remember something about internal flocking problems but that may be the Kiev's. Before you question your technique too much, Id rule out the camera as the problem first. The other word that caught my eye was Doughnuts. Hmmmm $1 to Homer Simpson. Personally I am partical to Krispy Kremes. Shannon Stoney <sstoney@xxxxxxx> wrote: Yet another weird mystery in the darkroom.... Today I noticed that there are these light-colored donuts right in the center of the prints I was making yesterday. They are Holga panoramas, so I was printing a five inch strip of 120 film by laying it on the glass negative carrier that's for 8x10 negatives. It has frosted glass, I guess to prevent newton rings or something. But now there are these other kinds of rings! I was using the 135mm enlarging lens, which appeared to cover the negative fine. I had it stopped way down to f/32 though, because the head had to be so close to the print to make it only 12" long. The head is a diffusion head. Is it possible that this frosted glass is creating this problem? I have used it before and never noticed it before. Another clue: I cleaned the frosted glass with Windex before printing. I think I got it all dry. But it's possible it was slightly dampish when I was printing. I printed three negative strips, and all three sets of prints have this strange anomaly on them. You can see the phenomenon here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shannonstoney/490698167/ My partner said I should just say it was a picture of nuclear winter in Houston. --shannon ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.