[pure-silver] Re: What happens when XTOL dies
- From: Jim Brick <jim@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:52:50 -0800
Sorry to hear about your trouble. I've never had Xtol die on me BUT,
I've had friends who have. They say that it either develops normally,
or it does not work at all. Nothing in the middle. Like a switch - on
or off. But I have no personal experience here.
One thing I learned a very long time ago, is... If in a situation
where you are using a film that you are not used to using, and you
also do not know how to develop it, you always shoot another quick
roll of the situation (in your case, the stage, etc.) and then cut
this roll (36 exp 35mm or 220) into four equal pieces. then develop
one piece, in what you think is is the correct developer/time/temp,
and take a look. If you get bad results (like you did) you then try
something else on the next quarter piece. Hopefully, by the time you
have finished all four pieces, you will have the answer and be able
to develop the real film properly.
Sorry about your loss...
:-(
A couple of other things come to mind. From past experience, both
Delta 3200 and TMax 3200 are not true 3200 films. They rely on push
processing to achieve this speed. They are ASA 800 speed films when
developed in normal developers. ASA 3200 is a 2 stop push for these
films. On the other hand, Fuji 1600 is a true 1600 speed film and
easily pushes to 3200 without a whimper. And Xtol works great on this film.
The other thing is (and I am not saying that you did this) that when
shooting rock type concerts, in camera meters, unless narrow spot
meters, are pretty much useless. They see and are terribly biased by
the bright stage lights. Using an averaging meter under these
circumstances is the same as rating your 3200 film at ASA 12800 - at
least a two stop push over 3200. Or even more! And TMX3200 is
actually an ASA 800 film, so, setting your meter at 3200 and reading
a bright stage with an averaging meter is sure death for the images -
or the lack thereof. Here's what Kodak says, and the Kodak web site
has development procedures for TMX 3200.
"
KODAK PROFESSIONAL T-MAX P3200 Film is specially designed to be used
as a multi-speed film. The speed you use depends on your application;
make tests to determine the appropriate speed.
The nominal speed is EI 1000 when the film is processed in KODAK
PROFESSIONAL T-MAX Developer or KODAK PROFESSIONAL T-MAX RS Developer
and Replenisher, or EI 800 when it is processed in other Kodak
black-and-white developers. It was determined in a manner published
in ISO standards. For ease in calculating exposure and for
consistency with the commonly used scale of film-speed numbers, the
nominal speed has been rounded to EI 800.
Because of its great latitude, you can expose this film at EI 1600
and yield negatives of high quality. There will be no change in the
grain of the final print, but there may be a slight loss of shadow
detail. When you need a higher speed, you can expose this film at EI
3200 or 6400. At these speeds, there will be a slight increase in
contrast and graininess with additional loss of shadow detail. (See
the processing tables for adjusted development times.)
"
Jim
At 07:54 PM 2/24/2006 -0500, Justin F. Knotzke wrote:
I just souped my TMAX 3200 in XTOL 1+1 for 18.5 mins at 20c and
they are horribly thin.. to the point that I can barely see any images.
Either I exposed completely wrong, or my XTOL is dead. What
happens to XTOL when it dies?
Major pisser too since the band was hoping to use those images
for an CD backing.
J
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