[pure-silver] Re: Was Ilford -- Sulfide toners?

That is correct. Toning with selenium for several minutes 2-4 even at 1:9
will generally leave the highlights unaffected enough to allow for
additional toning in a bleach/sulfide toner. It works beautifully on Agfa
Multigrade fiber. I hope it works as well on Kentmiere (sp) as it has a
paper in their line similar to the 118 in texture. 

I use selenium toner to set the blacks and protect them, the highlights show
color much more quickly, at least to my eye, and since that is the last
place that selenium works there is quite a working latitude to produce a
workflow in both directions; selenium to sulfide or sulfide to selenium. 

Sorry was it Justin that asked? Look up Tim Rudman's book on toning. It came
out three years ago???? Somebody out there will have the title for you as I
forget it. 


Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
214-827-8301
http://ericneilsenphotography.com
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> From: Philippe Gauthier <pgauth@xxxxxxx>
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> Eric Neilsen Photography a �crit :
> 
> >I was told that myth years ago and never challenged it, but
> selenium prints
> >do bleach and tone in a sulfide toner.  You can tone in either
> order but the
> >colors will be different and the cross toning will be
> different.
> >
> >
> Quite frankly, I tried to bleach a selenium toned print some
> time ago
> and I never succeeded. Perhaps I was using the Kodak stuff at
> the time
> (I now use a much more powerful soup with 40g of ferricyanide
> per liter)
> I don't remember. But I wonder how a silver selenide molecule
> can revert
> to silver salt in ferricyanide and then be turned in silver
> sulfide in
> sepia bath. It must work only with prints partly toned in weak
> selenium
> solutions, where a lot of metallic silver atoms are still
> available.
> 
> PG
> 
>    I think this depends on how throroughly the print is toned.
> If its completely toned, i.e., no metallic silver left and no
> silver halide left, it should not bleach.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Richard Knoppow
> dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Los Angeles, CA, USA
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