[pure-silver] Re: Toner for chocolate brown tone

Thanks Tim,  I literally just played with what was told to me to be a no-no 
thing to do when selective bleaching.  I had some extra prints, and was using 
them as tests strips.  I freaked when the first print turned bright orange.  To 
say I was a bit freaked is not enough.  My screams can wake the dead.  I 
screamed loud enough I scared all the other students in two rooms away.  I was 
going to save that test strip to show people what not to do.  so I washed it 
and once it dried I was amazed.  Guess I need to play more with it to get those 
other tones.  Tell you what Tim, Bring some examples to LA in April.  I would 
love to see what you did.  As always you are a wellspring of knowledge.
   
  Aggie

Tim Rudman <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
       
  Hi Aggie
  just home from a trip and picked up this thread. This is the basis of 
'Chinese prints' but that process goes further by using strong bleach. If a 
strong enough bleach (like iodine) it ultimately gives the bright orange of 
selenium after removing all the black silver, but there are many colours in 
between (see my toning book, pages 52/53) 
  Tim

    
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  From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Agnes
Sent: 15 February 2007 22:04
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Toner for chocolate brown tone


  
  easiest way to get the nice chocolate browns in toning is a two step process. 
 First selenium tone it as you would normally do.  Then place it in a tray (yes 
dunk the complete sheet in the tray) of dilute potassium ferricynide.  let it 
sit there for a few minutes.  It will turn a funky orange color.  Do not let 
this throw you.  to stop the action rinse well then put it in a tray of fix.  
Wash as you would normally do.  Once it comes out of the wash (I would do mine 
for 40 to 60 minutes in running water, I also used fiber paper)  It would look 
a little washed out but a darker brown.  When it dries, it is the most lucious 
chocolate brown tone.  Experiment with some test prints first so you can get 
the desired effects down for your particular needs.  It really is easy.  I 
stumbled on it after a Bruce Barnbaum workshop where he warned us not to do 
selective bleaching after selenium toning.
   
  Aggie

Robert Krawiec <robk64@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  I've never really been able to get the chocolate
browns with polysulfide toners, so would be interested
to know if their toner works.

Also try lith printing on Bergger warmtone or Forte
Polywarmtone and toning that in selenium.

Rob

--- Jeffrey Thorns 
wrote:

> Just an FYI - I emailed the Formulary to see what 
> they would recommend. Here is their reply;
> 
> ***************************************
> 
> 
> Hi Jeffrey,
> 
> You are in luck I have just the toner for you. I 
> have attached the instructions for the 
> Polysulfide toner. It will give you the warm 
> chocolaty browns that you are looking for.
> Let me know if you have any questions.
> 
> Thanks
> Sherry
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Thorns"
> 
> To: "Photographer's Formulary"
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Question about toner
> 
> >The lead-gold combination sounded interesting - no
> other reason.
> >
> >I'm really looking for a toner that yields a 
> >chocolate brown tone - not like sepia at all. 
> >Not reddish. Not purple.
> >
> >I remember printing on the old Agfa Portriga 
> >paper - very nice warm tone. Beautiful paper. I 
> >can't get that paper anymore, so I am looking to 
> >toning to give me that feel. Ilford MG RC 
> >Warmtone is a nice paper, but needs toning to 
> >push it into a subtle brown color.
> >
> >Thank you for your advice.
> >
> >>Hi Jeffrey
> >>I am not sure about the paper you are planning 
> >>to tone and why you are looking at the POP Lead 
> >>Toner. That toner is made for POP paper. What 
> >>are you trying to accomplish with the toner?
> >>Sherry
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey
> Thorns" 
> >>To: 
> >>Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:22 AM
> >>Subject: Question about toner
> >>
> >>>Would your FORMULARY POP LEAD-GOLD COMBINED 
> >>>TONER-FIXER work fine with RC paper?
> >>>
> >>>I use a lot of the Ilford MG RC Warmtone paper 
> >>>and was wondering if the long time in this 
> >>>fixer/toner would be too long for an RC paper.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Thanks
> >
> 
> 
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