Hi Tim, > Do a test with Oriental > GF and see how dissimilar it is to Oriental papers > and how close to Ilford. Is the claim being made just for this one paper? There is a kind of underground common knowledge that some manufactures dump their odd length, out of spec material on the market under a different label. It is not totally inconceivable that some bad ILFORD was not relabeled.... (Making my own emulsions for many years now, I haven't examined recent materials...) Is it possible you could double check with this person, (You're not talking about a certain author are you?) and see if you could find out what the basis for his claim is? Perhaps we should take this off list untill the facts are known. It just isn't fair to Ilford nor Oriental, scusi, Cybergraphics. Ray ---------------------------------------------- Oh, I see your last post... thanks. ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.