[pure-silver] Re: Sepia Toners
- From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:13:53 -0800
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From: "titrisol" <titrisol@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:37 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Sepia Toners
Absolutely NaxS (polysulfide) is one of the ways to buy
this chemical
The S-2 is the active part that creates Ag2S which is
quite stable
That is the yellowish "Silver tarnish" in solid silver
exposed to atmosphere.
Polysulfide is popularly called "liver of sulfur" and
is sold under that name. It is properly potassium
polysulfide and is of somewhat indefinite composition. It
will work as a redeveloper in place of sodium or potassium
sulfide but is not the same compound.
Polysulfide toners, like Kodak Brown Toner and Agfa
Viradon, have the peculiar property of toning more rapidly
as they are diluted or exhausted. This can cause problems
when washing since the toner will continue to work in the
wash until its is substantially removed from the paper or
film. The toner can cause a peach colored stain if not
washed out quickly. It is recommended that a "stop bath" of
about 10% sodium sulfite (I mean sulfite here) be used as a
rinse between toning and washing. The sulfite will also
immediately clear the yellow or orange stain remaining after
toning. I've found in practice that the sulfite bath does
not have to be this strong and Kodak Hypo Clearing Agent at
normal working dilution will do nicely. This sulfite "stop"
should also be used for polysulfide/selenium combination
toners.
Normally polysulfide toner is used at elevated
temperature (Kodak suggests 100F) to obtain reasonably rapid
toning. However, I've found the combination formulas I
posted work very quickly at room temperature. Perhaps its
the added alkali that speeds it up.
Note that _any_ sulfiding toner provides very
substantial image protection. So does selenium toner
provided toning is carried out far enough. The failure of
KRST is only when its used in high dilution (1:19 or more)
for short periods as was recommended when image protection
without change in color or density was desired. Dr.
Nishimura suggests for prints that the toning be carried out
at a dilution of not more than 1:9 and for a period of not
less than 3 minutes at room temperature. This will result in
some change in color or density or both for most papers. KBT
will provide image protection if toning is carried out far
enough for a visible change although slight.
A further note: We have mentioned Nelson's Gold Toner a
few times. Nelson's is a variation of a direct toner with
the addition of gold chloride as a color modifier. Because
Nelson's can generate some halide during toning prints toned
with it should be fixed again after toning. If not fixed the
residual halides will cause eventual image degradation. When
re-fixed they will be as permanent as any other sulfide
toned print. Kodak left out the final fixing step in some of
its processing booklets.
The published instructions for Nelson's are pretty much
lifted from the patent which IMO is the best source of
instructions for the process. The patent is USP 1,849,245.
Any US patent is available from either the US Patent and
Trade-Mark Office at http://www.uspto.gov or from Google
Patents. The latter offers the convenience of downloading a
patent in PDF form rather than as the separate TIFF images
from the patent office site. Go to Google and click on the
tab marked "more", the patent search is under that, or maybe
its "even more".
I don't yet have my reference books back so I can't post
the published formula for Kodak's polysulfide toner. Again,
its not identical to KBT but in practice is the same thing.
IPI also published a formula for a polysulfide toner
intended for protecting microfilm in place of highly diluted
KRST. This uses borax as the alkali and is supposed to have
low odor. Other polysulfide toners and, in fact, most
sulfiding toners of any sort, have the strong "rotten egg"
odor of hydrogen sulfide so they should be used where there
is copious ventilation or out of doors.
Yet another note: The current instructions for Kodak
Sepia II suggest working under a safe-light. The reason for
this is that strong light can generate photolytic silver in
the bleached image. Photolytic silver is metallic silver
generated directly by the action of light on an emulsion.
Working under a safelight is probably too fussy but toning,
especially in the bleach and redevelop type, should be
carried out under subdued light. My source for this is Dave
Valvo, a member of this list, who designed Sepia II toner
for Kodak.
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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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The S-2 is the active part that creates Ag2S which is quite stable That is the yellowish "Silver tarnish" in solid silver exposed to atmosphere.
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