[pure-silver] Re: Self-Made HypoClear any good?
- From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:24:35 -0800
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Self-Made HypoClear any good?
Well, for what it's worth here is the Cookbook formula for
HCA:
quote:
FORMULA #190 Hypo Clearing Agent (HCA)
Water (125 F/52 C) 750.0 ml
Sodium sulfite 200.0 g
*Sodium bisulfite 50.0 g
Water to make 1.0 liter
*The sodium bisulfite lowers the pH in order to prevent
softening of
emulsion of film. If paper is to be used the bisulfite
may be left out in order to
improve the papers gloss.
end quote
It goes on to suggest double weight paper papers after a 1
minute rinse
after fixing needs only a 3 minute HCA bath with agitation
and a final running
water wash of 20 minutes.
I've been using this method for a couple of years and have
had no bad
experiences.
Bruce Osgood
Camclicker @ aol.com
Brooklyn, NY.
This is about double the strength of the Kodak stock
solution, the formula given by Eric Nelson is about right.
If it stays in solution its OK and may have longer shelf
life due to the higher concentration but must be diluted
more.
The working solution is about 2% and has limited life in a
tray. It should really be used as a one-shot.
The sequestering agents are present to prevent deposition
of aluminum from the hardener in hardening fixing baths and
minerals from the wash water. They are probably not
necessary if the wash aid is used for a small quantity of
film or paper but I have not experimented with this.
The buffering is used to make the wash aid solution
neutral. At neutral the pH of the gelatin is such as to
preserve most of the hardening of a white alum hardener
while eliminating the mordanting effect. The pH is also such
that the electrical charges will repel rather than attract
the ions of the fixer and fixer complexes.
For much material a simple 2% solution of sulfite seems to
work OK.
The paper published by Kodak Labs shows the curve of
treatment times vs: necessary wash times is asymtotic with a
practical maximum treatment time of about 4 minutes. I think
Ilford recommended longer times for their "archival wash
cycle" because the effect of the wash aid is much less for
the support of "fiber" prints than for the emulsion. This is
because the hypo is held by mechanical (frictional) forces
more than chemical forces once it has soaked into the paper.
The ion exchange funtion of the wash aid still help to
displace the hypo ions from the paper structure but is not
as effective there as it is in the emulsion.
Please note that there is no published formula for Kodak
Hypo Clearing Agent. If there is a patent I've never seen it
cited. The MSDS for both KHCA and Ilford's wash aid are very
similar but the exact amounts of anything can not be told
from an MSDS and some ingredients may not even be listed.
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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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quote: FORMULA #190 Hypo Clearing Agent (HCA) Water (125 F/52 C) 750.0 ml Sodium sulfite 200.0 g *Sodium bisulfite 50.0 g Water to make 1.0 liter*The sodium bisulfite lowers the pH in order to prevent softening of emulsion of film. If paper is to be used the bisulfite may be left out in order to
improve the papers gloss. end quoteIt goes on to suggest double weight paper papers after a 1 minute rinse after fixing needs only a 3 minute HCA bath with agitation and a final running
water wash of 20 minutes.I've been using this method for a couple of years and have had no bad
experiences. Bruce Osgood Camclicker @ aol.com Brooklyn, NY.
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