[pure-silver] Re: Product marketing; was agfa film
- From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:25:58 -0700
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Product marketing; was agfa film
From: "Koch, Gerald" <gkoch02@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pure-silver] Product marketing; was agfa film
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:12:10 -0400
My only complaint is with the naming of their Neutol
developers. I
think most people had a difficulty with there being more
than one
product with that name. Granted that there was an two
letter extension
like WA or NE. But still confusing nonertheless. A real
marketing
mistake. Another example is Fuji, who overuse the name
Neopan. Even
Adorama seems confused -- the description on their
website for Neopan
100 SS is really a description of Acros 100. If the
film's name is
Acros then why does it have to be called Neopan Acros?
That complaint should go to Adorama, not here. It's their
mistake.
Following your logic, Eastman Kodak overused "Kodachrome,"
"Ektachrome" and "Kodacolor." How many Ektachromes are
there on the
market? And we photographers can be readily confused by WA
and NE,
while we talk about VPS, VPL, TX, TXP, TXT, and so on to
indicate
films. It's just silly argument.
Neopan is a name Fuji picked when they started making
decent b&w
negative emulsions, and this name, together with the
number of S to
designate speed, became a common standard in their main
market during
1960s. They just don't want to change the Neopan part, nor
should they
introduce different name just for small export market. Of
course, if
they had different names for different market, someone
will complain
about that too. Look at Ilford in 1990s and Canon EOS
line, for example.
(Neopan 400 and 1600 actually have different names for
export, though.)
You are right to choose Kodak as an example. Kodak tends
to use nearly the same trade names for products which are
similar in some way but not identical. For instance, there
are two different emulsions sold as "Tri-X" and there were
two sold as "Plus-X" until the shteet film was discontinued.
Kodak also does this with color film. Kodak tends to recycle
trade names but that is acceptable because the products are
not sold simultaneously, For instance, "Ektar" which began
as a lens name was recycled many years after Kodak got out
of the lens business for a color film.
Agfa did a horrible job marketing in the US. They did
little advertising and products were often not available in
stores. I don't think this entirely accounts for the failure
of the photographic division but it was a factor.
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: "Koch, Gerald" <gkoch02@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [pure-silver] Product marketing; was agfa film Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:12:10 -0400
My only complaint is with the naming of their Neutol developers. I
think most people had a difficulty with there being more than one
product with that name. Granted that there was an two letter extension
like WA or NE. But still confusing nonertheless. A real marketing
mistake. Another example is Fuji, who overuse the name Neopan. Even
Adorama seems confused -- the description on their website for Neopan
100 SS is really a description of Acros 100. If the film's name is
Acros then why does it have to be called Neopan Acros?
That complaint should go to Adorama, not here. It's their mistake.
Following your logic, Eastman Kodak overused "Kodachrome,"
"Ektachrome" and "Kodacolor." How many Ektachromes are there on the
market? And we photographers can be readily confused by WA and NE,
while we talk about VPS, VPL, TX, TXP, TXT, and so on to indicate
films. It's just silly argument.
Neopan is a name Fuji picked when they started making decent b&w
negative emulsions, and this name, together with the number of S to
designate speed, became a common standard in their main market during
1960s. They just don't want to change the Neopan part, nor should they
introduce different name just for small export market. Of course, if
they had different names for different market, someone will complain
about that too. Look at Ilford in 1990s and Canon EOS line, for example.
(Neopan 400 and 1600 actually have different names for export, though.)
- [pure-silver] Product marketing; was agfa film
- From: Koch, Gerald
- [pure-silver] Re: Product marketing; was agfa film
- From: Ryuji Suzuki