Might try fresh fixer as well. I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I've gotten lazy / cheap / forgetful in the past and overused my fixer until I've seen similar results on the print edges after KRST toning. Even with washing the print between fixing and toning. My bad. To emphasize how ugly the result can be, I found that I could rub off the stain (which was really a precipitate I guess) after the print dried. You can't wash out the stuff that creeps in from the paper edges, though. It seems to be water insoluble or it would have washed off. You also can create sludge in the toning bath if the fixer is old.. But this effect is more like precipitation than fudge(but what's the difference really??). In case it matters, I use TF4 fixer (alkaline process). I also have used KRST years and years after purchase, and it's never failed me (when I use fresh fixer :) ) JStewart -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bogdan Karasek Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 1:32 AM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Problems with KRST???? Hi Eric, Tomorrow and Monday, I'll work on it, try two different papers and some more Kentemere, bought more fresh KRST, changing trays (to unused ones), different bamboo tongs... washing is I described, quick rinse, then 5 min in HC, then 40 minutes, running water Eric Nelson Photography wrote: > I have only seen the reaction with fixer give anything close to what > you are talking about. I can't image the paper being the problem, > unless it was just taken out of the fixer. Since it was washed that is not it. > > What about the distilled water. You say that you use it. Are you sure > about the bottles that you have? pH test? Fresh? The the only thing that has ever been them is distilled water. I bought them for that purpose, 4x22 liters, keep them under the counter. I use distilled to mix all my solution, stop, developer, fix, hypo and what ever else needs mixing. Don't trust the tap water for that. Use it in for washing. The one thing I find strange is that the prints toned this week, where also stained in the white narrow borders, and unevenly at that. Found it strange, so I checked which previous cross section of from the last several years, which were toned in the same manner, and they all had white borders. Selenium has been stored in the same gallon container for the past 5-6 years. I'm a creature of habit; good thing to have in the darkroom. I'll see in the next few days. Will keep abreast. Looking at the problem from the other end, one can ask, what chemical would cause the selenium solution to turn into an opaque brown quagmire by the 3-4 print? Cheers, bogdan Used to make other chems without > problems? > > Eric Neilsen Photo > 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 > Dallas, TX 75226 > 214 827-8301 > > http://ericneilsenphotography.com > SKype ejprinter > > > ====================================================================== > ======================================= > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > -- ________________________________________________________________ Bogdan Karasek Montréal, Québec bogdan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Canada www.bogdanphoto.com "I bear witness" ________________________________________________________________ ============================================================================ ================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. ============================================================================================================To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.