As I also remember the Record Rapid was a European or English name for the same paper that was called Portriga Rapid in the US. As you came to the US in the 80s it could be a timing issue as it was in the mid 80s that the Portriga was changed and the worst part of the change was the surface of the paper. Previously it was a beautiful flexible surface that could be made almost like metallic sheen but the new version was like Naugahyde, like a fake leather surface. An interesting thing to me was that as I was very attached to and very devastated by the change in the paper, advertised as the new and improved Portriga, I was complaining to an old photo friend back then and he gave the the ah pysha that Agfa had pulled the silver out of and ruined the paper in the mid 70s. So it is all relativity. If you read old texts by the likes of Edward Weston, they complained about the decline of paper quality as well. Now people are pining away for Agfa Classic that was recently re introduced as ADOX MCC Classic like it is some old special paper when in fact that was crap paper since generations before it's creation. I never used the Agfa Bromide back in the 80s as I preferred the warmth of Portriga but I did commercially use Oriental Seagul graded. The same paper that Brett Weston advertised as Quite Frankly the best paper I have used. It is not so frequently noted that that Oriental paper went to crap in the mid 80s the same time as the Afga paper did. Dennis On Jan 27, 2011, at 18:50, Mike Kirwan wrote: > Portiga was a different paper, nice, but not the same as Record Rapid. > > I still have some Portiga in my collection, has a different surface than RR. > If my memory serves me correctly, one of the reasons for the demise of these > papers was some of the chemicals in the emulsion, I believe that both RR and > Portriga had a Cadmium component; which was also in some of the famous and > long lamented Kodak papers :( > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 2:45 PM > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Oh How I Miss This Paper > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Kirwan" <mkirwan@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:16 PM > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Oh How I Miss This Paper > > >> The Agfa papers were magic. My all time favorite was >> Record Rapid. I missed >> out on that paper when I moved from the UK to the US in >> the 80's. Record >> Rapid was readily available there, so I used to fill my >> suitcase with the >> stuff. It toned beautifully in Selenium. >> >> Brovira was wonderful, with great black and clean whites >> with great >> contrast. >> >> I still have a couple of boxes of Record Rapid and Brovira >> in my freezer, >> along with some other Agfa classics, like Agfapan 100 >> portrait, could only >> find that in Germany, matt film base, and Agfapan 25 in >> 4x5 sheets - maybe >> the time has come to use this stuff. I am sure the film >> will give results, >> not sure about the papers. >> >> Mike >> > Record Rapid was sold in the US as Portriga Rapid. AFAIK > it was the identical paper. > > -- > Richard Knoppow > Los Angeles, CA, USA > dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ============================================================================ > ================================= > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your > account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > ============================================================================================================= > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your > account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. ============================================================================================================To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.