[pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae

Hi Daniel
I was making a distinction between tray life (mixed and diluted for use) and
shelf life (unmixed)
Tim
http://www.worldoflithprinting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daniel Bouzard
Sent: 28 September 2006 12:57
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae

Hello,

I used Moersch Lith developer with great success. The dilution is mostly
1part of A + 1part of B + 1 part of "old brown" and 50 parts of water and
0.1part of 10% bromide and sulfite solution. Shelf life is at list 2hours
and OK for about 10 24X30 sheets.

        Daniel

> De : "Thierry ARNAUD" <aristark@xxxxxxxxxx> Répondre à : 
> pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date : Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:01:56 +0200 À : 
> <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Objet : [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer 
> formulae
> 
> Thanks a lot, Tim, for your perfect answer.
> Have a good day.
> Thierry
> 
> Thierry ARNAUD
> 6, rue du Verger
> 91800 - Brunoy
> France
> 
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de Tim Rudman 
> Envoyé : jeudi 28 septembre 2006 12:58 À : pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> Objet : [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae
> 
> 
> Hi Thierry
> 
> <<"Amazon.fr says there are no more of it at the publisher's.">>
> 
> I don't know why this should be - it has only just come out and 
> shipping hasn't even begun yet, it is still in the warehouse (maybe 
> this is what they
> mean?)
> My copies are due to arrive next week so they should soon be available 
> then.
> You can also order copies signed, and if desired also personalised,  
> from the website here - http://www.worldoflithprinting.com  I do know 
> that both lith books are available.
> 
> I have seen the formulae in the link you sent. I haven't tried them 
> all obviously (life is too short!) but of the few I have used my 
> impression is the those with formaldehyde or Para formaldehyde work 
> better for lith printing than the ones listed without either. I know 
> of some people who have claimed success with them but I haven't had 
> the results from them that suit me.
> I mostly use the commercial ones now as they give me exactly what I 
> want, are consistent and always available.
> Moersch makes formaldehyde-free lith devs and they are excellent too, 
> although a much shorter shelf life I find. Some of the contributors to 
> WOLP have included their own formulae with examples too, notably Peter 
> Svennson with his 3 'Dr Jekyll' formulae ("because it leaves out the 
> 'Hyde" !!)
> 
> Also, I think the estimate of a 2 hour tray life (in your link) is a 
> little stingy and I get more than that, but I use larger rather than 
> smaller volumes for consistency.
> 
> <<"I just have surprised (and disappointed) not to find any formula in 
> a book which claimed it was "definitive".">> Yes, point taken, and my 
> apologies for that.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thierry ARNAUD
> Sent: 28 September 2006 11:19
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae
> 
> Hi Tim,
> Thanks a lot for your answer.
> I understand very well what you mean.
> I just have surprised (and disappointed) not to find any formula in a 
> book which claimed it was "definitive". Anyway!
> I am now looking for its "companion" but Amazon.fr says there are no 
> more of it at the publisher's.
> Would you know if there are some companions available?
> Then, what do you think about the formulae published by Unblinkingeye 
> and those by http://members.iinet.net.au/~forbes/lithdev.html#Formulae 
> ?
> Best regards,
> Thierry
> 
> 
> Thierry ARNAUD
> 6, rue du Verger
> 91800 - Brunoy
> France
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de Tim Rudman 
> Envoyé :
> jeudi 28 septembre 2006 10:34 À : pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Objet :
> [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae
> 
> A very good point Thierry.
> You are quite right of course, it is an omission and in retrospect I 
> should have included formulae.
> 
> At the time, there was nothing written about Lith printing and my 
> primary objective then was to raise awareness and explain it - and 
> hopefully inspire people to try it for themselves using existing 
> materials.
> It is actually the only one of my books that doesn't contain many 
> formulae (there are a few for some other chemical products that are 
> not available off the shelf) and I hadn't appreciated how many people 
> would be interested in making their own Lith developers.
> 
> I have sought to try and redress this balance by bringing out a 
> companion book with formulae, including formulae and techniques sent 
> in by contributors in the 'Forum' section and also updating the 
> current materials lists and new techniques, so I hope that together 
> the 2 books are rather more 'definitive'.
> 
> It is getting harder in this digital age to interest a publisher to 
> invest in a book for such a niche market, so I am very pleased with 
> it.
> Tim
> http://www.worldoflithprinting.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thierry ARNAUD
> Sent: 27 September 2006 21:35
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae
> 
> Thanks Tim for your answer.
> I regret that in your "definitive guide on lith-printing" there is no 
> formula. Where is the definitive here?
> 
> Thierry ARNAUD
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de Tim Rudman 
> Envoyé :
> mercredi 27 septembre 2006 11:04 À : pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Objet :
> [pure-silver] Re: Lith Developer formulae. was: filters for view 
> cameras
> 
> There are lots in the new companion book Thierry ;-) See 
> http://www.worldoflithprinting.com
> Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thierry ARNAUD
> Sent: 27 September 2006 06:11
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Lith Developer formulae. was: filters for view 
> cameras
> 
> Hi,
> I'd like to lith-print but I don't know any formula for the lith 
> developer. I bought the book of Tim Rudman about Lith-printing but 
> there's no formula.
> Could someone give any?
> Thanks in advance.
> Best.
> 
> Thierry ARNAUD
> France
> 
> 
> 
> 
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