[pure-silver] Re: Kodachrome
- From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:23:54 -0800
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From: "Mark Blackwell" <mblackwell1958@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Kodachrome
Ok I am old but I still remember the old song
"Please don't take my Kodachrome away." Well I figured
that would never happen, but it may not be long.
Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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From: "Dave James"
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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:49 AM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Kodachrome
Clarence Rhymer wrote:
Of course there is always Dwayne's if you want colour.
Unfortunately, Dwayne's no longer processes Kodachrome
120. AFAIK, no one does.
The last time Kodak upgraded the processing machines
they discontinued 120. 35mm is the only still film size
that
can processed now. I am not sure of the status of motion
picture film, I think its possible the Swiss lab still
does
Super-8.
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Well, from other posts I guess the Swiss lab doesn't
exist. Kodak has been trying to discontinue Kodachrome for a
very long time now. It has certain unique features which
give it a body of loyal users but its evidently not
profitable to make and is difficult to process. Its main
virtue seems to be very long dark storage life. At one time
Kodachrome simply looked better than any other color film
but I think that hasn't been true for years now.
Kodachrome has a curious history. George Eastman
evidently became interested in an easy to use color film for
amateurs as early as 1900. Its been suggested that one
reason he brought Kenneth Mees to the US to form the
research labs was to devise a practical color film. The labs
tried at least two forms of color before going to a
multi-layer film. The earliest was also called Kodacolor and
was of the colored reseau type similar to Duffay Color,
Finely Color, and Autocolor, there were others of this type.
I think this product was confined to the 1920s or even
before.
The second type of color film and one specifically
intended for home movie use was the first Kodachrome. This
was a lenticular type film, a reversal B&W film making use
of a striped color filter over the camera lens and a similar
filter on the projection lens. Lenticular films have
problems with fringing of moving objects and are extremely
difficult to duplicate. For a time in the mid 1930's Kodak
was carrying on research in co-operation with Paramount
Pictures on a lenticular system suitable for theatrical
motion pictures. It was not successful. Both of these
products were discontinued.
Kodak could not solve the problem of how to prevent
dyes from migrating between layers of multi-layer film. They
eventually wound up by leaving the dye formers (couplers)
out of the three emulsions altogether and relying on a
complex processing method to generate the dyes in the
appropriate layers. This film was also called Kodachrome and
was he first version of the current product. Partially
because of the very complex process Kodachrome was made only
as 16mm motion picture film. It was released in 1935. A
couple of years later a modified and somewhat simplified
processing method was devised which allowed other sizes to
be handled and Kodachrome became available in 35mm, roll
film sizes, and sheet film up to 11x14. These were available
until the development of Ektachrome c.1946 at which time the
sheet sizes were discontinued.
Agfa had solved the problem of sequestering the dyes
that plagued Kodak at about the same time as Kodak released
Kodachrome. Agfa called its film Agfacolor and both negative
and transparency films were made but not sold outside of
Germany. Agfa's technique was to attach the dyes to very
long chain molecules which could not migrate in the
supporting gelatin. Eventually Kodak came up with an
alternative method of anchoring the dyes, a method of
encapsulating them in a resin which was permiable by the
processing chemicals but not by the dye molecules. This
method was first used in a negative film called Kodacolor. A
similar material but coated on paper was used to print the
negatives. The early form of Kodacolor did not have integral
color masking so left something to be desired in color
quality but nonetheless made color available to the
snap-shooter (c.1940).
During WW-2 Kodak made a great deal of color aerial
film. I think the trade name Ektachrome or perhaps Ektacolor
was used for these. There is a rumor that Kodak made use of
Agfa patents for this film since these patents were in the
hands of the U.S. Government but this may not be true
because the Kodacolor method of anchoring dyes had been
developed by this time. One advantage of the Ektacolor and
Ektachrome type films was that they could be processed by
the end user, a necessity for war time materials.
Once the war was over Kodak released Ektachrome
(transparency film) to the market in sheet sizes and at the
same time discontinued Kodachrome in sheet sizes. I think
Kodak intended to discontinue Kodachrome altogether at this
time but Kodachrome was noticeably superior to Ektachrome so
they never managed it.
I am not sure of which method of manufacture survives
now but think it is the Kodak method of using resin
encapsulation. The fact that Kodachrome has survived for
seventy-three years says something about the loyalty of its
users especially because it was after all a stop-gap
makeshift although an elegant one at that.
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Ok I am old but I still remember the old song"Please don't take my Kodachrome away." Well I figured that would never happen, but it may not be long.
Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave James"
To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:49 AM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Kodachrome
Clarence Rhymer wrote: Of course there is always Dwayne's if you want colour. Unfortunately, Dwayne's no longer processes Kodachrome 120. AFAIK, no one does.
The last time Kodak upgraded the processing machinesthey discontinued 120. 35mm is the only still film size that
can processed now. I am not sure of the status of motionpicture film, I think its possible the Swiss lab still does
Super-8. --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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