[pure-silver] Re: High contrast printing?

When the 1st printing book came out Tom there was a real thirst for the 
knowledge in 1994 and the 8000 run sold out in 4 months. The next run in 6 
months. It slowed down a bit after that of course but there have been quite a 
few runs since. The later books became more niche though with a smaller 
audience and a diminishing audience because of digital, but even the toning 
book sold out in the UK in 18 months so there was still a desire to acquire the 
skills, which is wonderful.

-----Original Message-----
From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Kershaw
Sent: 22 July 2009 14:06
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: High contrast printing?

Simply that I think it is interesting to have some idea of the size of 
the analog photography market.

Tom

Tim Rudman wrote:
> I don't have the figures to hand but the usual edition size has been 5000 + 
> US edition, although the 1st printing book had a first UK run of 8000 and the 
> remaining runs were 5000 each as far as I recall. There were a lot of 
> reprints though before the revised edition which was either 3 or 5,000. (It's 
> a while ago)
> Why do you want to know?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Kershaw
> Sent: 22 July 2009 10:23
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: High contrast printing?
>
> How many copies of the book(s) have been sold. Ralph Lambrecht has 
> stated on APUG that 'Way Beyond Monochrome' had a print run of 4000 
> which have now all sold.
>
> Tom.
>
> Tim Rudman wrote:
>   
>> Can you expand Tom? I'm not sure I understand your post.
>> Tim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Kershaw
>> Sent: 22 July 2009 00:00
>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: High contrast printing?
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> Are you willing to share the sales figures for the lith and toning books?
>>
>> Tom.
>>
>> mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> If you have the layout in electronic format, blurb, lulu or maybe any 
>>> of a host of publishing outlets would be able to reproduce it from the 
>>> format in which it currently exists.  You already have the editing 
>>> done.  There should be no need to re edit.  Layout already exists.  
>>> Unless you are going to change it, you shouldn't need to redo 
>>> anything.  Some have software to make it easier.  I still think there 
>>> is likely a place where it can be done with the same material that 
>>> printed the original book.
>>>
>>> Lulu and Blur sell directly to the customer, they collect the cash and 
>>> send you a check. You as the author are not involved in the sales 
>>> transaction to the buyer. The beauty of it is that there is no need to 
>>> produce anything till its sold.  You or a customer can buy just one 
>>> book at a time if that's what they want.  Unlike in years past where 
>>> an author would have to buy say 200 copies to sell themselves, that is 
>>> not necessary anymore.
>>>
>>> Most sites let you set your own price, the site charges for printing 
>>> the book and usually a transaction fee.  If you do any extra marketing 
>>> its all to the good, and everyone wins.    Once the word gets out that 
>>> your books are at X site,  I am sure the customers will find you.
>>>
>>> You had to have spent a great deal of time in the darkroom to have the 
>>> knowledge to write that book.  You had to have enjoyed writing enough 
>>> to share that knowledge, so it would be a real shame to see it limited 
>>> because of the needs of a large publishing house.
>>>
>>>     -------- Original Message --------
>>>     Subject: [pure-silver] Re: High contrast printing?
>>>     From: "Tim Rudman" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>     Date: Tue, July 21, 2009 2:47 pm
>>>     To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>     Thank you Mark
>>>     I hear about online publishing but have no experience of it
>>>     (preferring the darkroom of course).
>>>     Recalling the many long weeks of layout, design and re-editing
>>>     that preceded the book I’m not sure it is so simple to reproduce
>>>     via blurb or whatever.
>>>     Am I wrong?
>>>     Tim
>>>      
>>>     *From:* pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>     [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of
>>>     *mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>     *Sent:* 21 July 2009 21:20
>>>     *To:* pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>     *Subject:* [pure-silver] Re: High contrast printing?
>>>      
>>>     Well Tim  One thing I do hope you consider with your "out of
>>>     print" books is to not let them STAY out of print.  Way too much
>>>     valuable information there to keep them unavailable.  Though the
>>>     niche may be too small for the big publishing houses to make
>>>     enough of a profit to keep them in print, this to me seem to be
>>>     the perfect situation for self publishing them.  A place like Lulu
>>>     or Blurb or maybe any of a host of possible outlets are available
>>>     with minimal effort there to keep them available and profitable
>>>     for you.  The hard work is already done.
>>>
>>>     I made a phone call to KEH the other day about trying to find some
>>>     used Paul Buff lights.  The response was, "We almost never get any
>>>     because anyone that buys them keeps them."  I suspect your books
>>>     would fall into the same category.  Yet with self publishing, even
>>>     if its just a few a month with no up front investment its cash
>>>     that wouldn't have been there otherwise and the knowledge is still
>>>     readily available.
>>>
>>>     Just my 2 cents worth or with inflation I better toss in a nickel.
>>>
>>>     Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>     -------- Original Message --------
>>>     Subject: [pure-silver] Re: High contrast printing?
>>>     From: "Tim Rudman" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>     Date: Tue, July 21, 2009 12:28 pm
>>>     To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>     Hi Harry
>>>     Yes the 1st LITH book (was actually my 2nd book) is the MPLPC and
>>>     the 2nd
>>>     LITH book (actually my 4th book) is the WOLP.
>>>
>>>     The materials list you downloaded from my site is more up dated
>>>     than WOLP
>>>     now and I will have to update it again this fall I expect,
>>>     meanwhile the
>>>     newletters have been updating it. I can send you those if you want
>>>     then,
>>>     together with the one about to go out, you'll be bang up to date and
>>>     somewhat ahead in fact as the latest news in it hasn't been
>>>     released yet.
>>>
>>>     The WOLP is more than an update on materials though. It is the only
>>>     international collection of lith printers' work. As it is such a
>>>     flexible
>>>     process it can be pushed into many different 'looks' and I felt
>>>     that could
>>>     be inspirational. It also contains some newer techniques BTW.
>>>     Tim
>>>
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>     [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>     <http://email02.secureserver.net/pcompose.php#Compose>] On Behalf
>>>     Of harry kalish
>>>     Sent: 21 July 2009 20:06
>>>     To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>     Subject: [pure-silver] Re: High contrast printing?
>>>
>>>     Thank you, Tim, for all the free materials.
>>>
>>>     Just to be certain, your first book is 'The Master Photographer's Lith
>>>     Printing Course', and the second is 'The World of Lith Printing',
>>>     right?
>>>
>>>     If so, I'm gonna buy the first one. And the second book has
>>>     essentially the
>>>     same updated materials info. as the FREE REPORT on your web site?
>>>
>>>     The images of lith prints that I'm seeing on-line are really very
>>>     special.
>>>     Very convincing.
>>>
>>>     Thanks,
>>>     Harry
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 7/21/09 9:51 AM, "Tim Rudman" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>     > Thank you Richard. May I appoint you as my agent? :-)
>>>     > The Toning book is now sold out both in UK and US editions and
>>>     sadly there
>>>     > are no plans by the publisher to reprint it (small market) so the
>>>     rights
>>>     > have reverted to me. So it's a case of second hand copies on
>>>     Amazon now.
>>>     >
>>>     > Harry, if you did want to pursue Lith, be aware that of my 2 lith
>>>     books it
>>>     > is the first one that is the 'how to do' book. The second updates the
>>>     > materials, which are constantly changing of course, and
>>>     introduces work
>>>     from
>>>     > others around the world in different genres and styles. I'm not
>>>     trying to
>>>     > sell to you but you can find info on www.worldoflithprinting.com
>>>     <http://www.worldoflithprinting.com>
>>>     > Also, you can download a new materials update (last Nov) from
>>>     > www.timrudman.com <http://www.timrudman.com> It's free to my
>>>     mailing list.
>>>     >
>>>     > Incidentally, there is some imminent good news for silver
>>>     printers:-) I'm
>>>     > just waiting for clearance to announce it in my newsletter which
>>>     hopefully
>>>     > will go out today or tomorrow.
>>>     > Tim
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>     > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>     <http://email02.secureserver.net/pcompose.php#Compose>] On Behalf
>>>     Of Richard Knoppow
>>>     > Sent: 21 July 2009 01:56
>>>     > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>     > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: High contrast printing?
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > ----- Original Message -----
>>>     > From: "harry kalish" <hksvk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>     > To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>     > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:26 PM
>>>     > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: High contrast printing?
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >> Thank you, Tim and all others for all the info. I might
>>>     >> have to buy the book
>>>     >> to get filled in on the nuances of this process.
>>>     >> ---Harry.
>>>     >>
>>>     > As long as you are in a book buying mood you might as
>>>     > well get Dr. Rudman's book on toning. Its the best available
>>>     > and will suggest all sorts of interesting things to try.
>>>     >
>>>     > --
>>>     > Richard Knoppow
>>>     > Los Angeles, CA, USA
>>>     > dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>     >
>>>     >
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