What do you define as the "winder thing"? Is this only the crank that you did not "park" by bending it over and parking it against the body? Frank Filippone red735i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.