[pure-silver] Re: Gigabitfilm

Years ago, before Kodak discontinued Pan-X, I used the Beutler formula
with it for several years and got very good results.  Was very unhappy
when this very nice film was no longer available.

-----Original Message-----
From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:32 PM
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Gigabitfilm


Plain water.  I can't remember if I did a pre-soak though. I always
presoak Efke now. I did get good results using the ancient Windisch
compensating formula.  That's the one with just catechol, sodium
sulfite, and sodium hydroxide. It seemed to toughen the efke a little,
really handy, since that emulsion is so fragile when wet. Now I'm just
using Rodinal 1:50 or 1:100 for the Efke, and I don't have to worry
about Techpan any more.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Koch, Gerald" <gkoch02@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:03 AM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Gigabitfilm


> Did you use an acid stop bath or a plain water rinse?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene Johnson
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:56 PM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Gigabitfilm
>
>
> I tried the internet H&W developer on Efke 25 and Techpan and got lots

> of pinholes.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Koch, Gerald" <gkoch02@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 7:56 AM
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Gigabitfilm
>
>
> > Probably not low contrast enough.  Low contrast developers like the=20
> > =3D
> =3D3D=3D20
> > Gigabit developer cannot produce a usable image with normal film.  I

> > =3D
> =3D3D
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> > assume the Clayton developer can.
> >
> > If you wish to experiment, here's a formula that purports to be=20
> > the=3D20 H&W =3D3D developer.
> >
> > Solution 1
> >
> > Distilled water (50=3D3DB0C) ................. 300   ml
> > Sodium sulfite (anhy) ..................   8.0 g=3D3D20
> > Hydroquinone ...........................   1.2 g=3D3D20
> > Sodium carbonate (anhy) ................  30.0 g=3D3D20
> > Phenidone ..............................   8.3 g=3D3D20
> >
> > Solution 2
> >
> > Distilled water (50=3D3DB0C) ................. 600   ml
> > Sodium sulfite (anhy) ..................  60.0 g=3D3D20
> > Distilled water to make ................   1.0 l=3D3D20
> >
> > Method of Preparation
> >
> > Make up the two solutions.  Add Solution 2 to Solution 1 and dilute=20
> > to
>
> > 1 =3D3D liter. Store the concentrate in several small, well =
sealed=3D20=20
> > bottles.  The =3D3D concentrate should=3D3D20 keep for about 6 =
months.
> >
> > Usage
> >
> > Dilute 1+15 with distilled water.  Average development time is 11 -=20
> > 15
>
> > =3D3D minutes at 20=3D3DB0C.  Agitate continuously for the first =
minute=20
> > =3D
> and=3D20
> > then for 5 =3D3D seconds
> > every 3 minutes.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =3D3D=3D20=20
> > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of titrisol
> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:45 AM
> > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Gigabitfilm
> >
> >
> > Would the Clayton Low Contrast developer work for this?
> > I believe this film could be great for Minox and sub-mini camera=20
> > users
> >
> > --- "Koch, Gerald" <gkoch02@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Gigabit film is a microfilm (most likely made by Agfa). =20
> > > Their=3D3D20  =3D
>
> > >developer is an extremely low contrast developer essential to=20
> > >tame=3D20 the  high  contrast of the microfilm.  There's nothing =
new=20
> > >about such
>
> > >a  combination.  In the 70's there was a company that sold such a =20
> > >combination under the name H&W Control. =3D3D20
> > > While such combinations can yield virtually grainless prints with
> > > extreme detail there are some problems. =3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D20
> > > 1) The contrast of the negatives, while lower than normal =
for=3D3D20
> > > microfilm, is still higher than what is considered normal =
for=3D3D20
> > > continuous tone
> > > negatives.  This makes them difficult to print and is the most
> > > serious
> > > drawback.
> > >=3D3D20
> > > 2) The film has little or no exposure latitude requiring exposures
> be
> > > bracketed. =3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D20
> > > 3) Lens faults are emphasized because of the lack of grain in the

> > >negatives.  In fact, unless you have a really high quality  lens,=20
> > >your  prints will appear less sharp than if you had used a
> > > conventional film
> > > such as Efke 25.
> > >=3D3D20
> > > 4) The film and required developer are expensive.  35mm microfilm
> is=3D3D20
> > > not perforated so the user is locked out of any alternative source

> > >of film.  Gigafilm has the film perforated especially for their=20
> > >sales. =3D3D20
> > > I have not tried this latest incarnation and have no inclination
to
> do
> > > so after previous disappointments.  Perhaps Gigabit has  overcome=20
> > >the  inherent problems.  H&W went out a business after the initial
> > > flurry of
> > > interest waned because of basic dissatisfaction.
> > >=3D3D20
> > > Jerry
> > >=3D3D20
> > >=3D3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20
> > > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Emmanuel
> > > Schnetzler
> > > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:52 AM
> > > To: PureSilver list
> > > Subject: [pure-silver] Gigabitfilm
> > >=3D3D20
> > >=3D3D20
> > > Hi all,
> > >=3D3D20
> > > I was reading the Zeiss newsletter yesterday and they are =3D
> talking=3D3D20
> > > about the=3D3D3D3D
> > >  Gigabitfilm:
> > >
> > http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B58B9/ContentsWWWIntern/17EF1FE449AD3
> > F6
> > 4C
> > > 125=3D3D3D3D
> > > 6F2C002B7DBA  http://www.gigabitfilm.de/html/english/menu.htm=3D20
> > >(poorly designed
> > > website...)
> > >=3D3D20
> > > Looks like it's been out for a while now (no 120 though,=3D3D20 =
=3D20=20
> > >unfortunatelly). A=3D3D3D3D pparently it was reviewed in the =
British=20
> > >=3D
> B&W
>
> > >magazine, which I receive, but=3D3D3D3D  I missed it. I'll have to  =
=3D
> look=3D20
> > >for it  when I'm back home.
> > >=3D3D20
> > > Does anyone know anything about it? JandC are selling it in 35mm.=20
> > >=3D3D20  Thanks!
> > >=3D3D20
> > > Manu
> > > --=3D3D3D3D20
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