[pure-silver] Re: Film support Was: Free Kodak Film

Bob, I made many prints on Oriental over the years, and it is a nice paper.
I tried some of their VC paper several years back and ran into some bad
batches; coating flaws. I have not gone back to it. I may try it again, but
must of the customer base that still has me print any silver work, has been
using Ilford MG IV. 
Eric

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of BOB KISS
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:47 AM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Film support Was: Free Kodak Film
> 
> O.K.,
>       But it is manufactured by neither Kodak nor Ilford so we are not
> relying on "The big two".
>       What I see going on here is that the big players who used to make
> most of their money serving the amateur and processing lab markets are
> pulling out because both of those have gone digital.  There are still
> suppliers who can make money with smaller economies of scale catering to
> those of us who still buy film and paper...if we will still do it.
>       And, again, I have never really Kodak paper for fine art black and
> white.  Ilford Gallerie, though too thin, was a lovely paper.  Other than
> that I still prefer Oriental papers.
>               CHEERS!
>                       BOB
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Koch, Gerald
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:13 AM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Film support Was: Free Kodak Film
> 
> It is my understanding that Bergger does not manufacture any film but
> only rebrands with their name.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of BOB KISS
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:36 AM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Free Kodak Film
> 
> I have just caught up on reading my e-mails.  I am a little surprised
> that people see the alternatives to Kodak and Ilford, my two least
> favorite papers, as second rate.  I have used Oriental Seagull paper,
> both graded and VC, for more than a decade and IMO nothing comes even
> near it.
> I agree that Kodak films are very reliable and Ilford makes films that
> stain wonderfully in Pyro developers but Bergger sheet film is wonderful
> as well though I prefer it in a non Pyro dev.
> Is this just opinion or have y'all never tried Oriental fiber based
> papers?
>               CHEERS!
>                       BOB
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