[pure-silver] Re: Film and Shipping (RE: Re: Forte Film fiasco)

Sounds like there is an Opera waiting to be made." By the Numbers"

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of BOB KISS
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:53 PM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Film and Shipping (RE: Re: Forte Film fiasco)
> 
> DEAR ERIC,
>       Oddly enough I ALWAYS tested my color film which I bought by the
> case before I used it but didn't test the B&W as I had never had a problem
> with Kodak B&W film.
>       Of course, with Frotoshop, I could easily clean them up but the
> damage to my reputation cannot be cleaned nor can the red ink in my old
> balance sheets because I never got the jobs at the Met.
>               CHEERS!
>                       BOB
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of EJ Neilsen
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:47 AM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Film and Shipping (RE: Re: Forte Film fiasco)
> 
> I think we all have some of those horror stories. And they do effect how
> we
> shoot and ship. It only takes a few times to sour a relationship. I know
> that many will only use XYZ shipper because the competition lost or
> damaged
> one of their important works. You'll sit there politely nodding your head
> think, " Well doesn't that beat all, XYZ shipper did the same thing to my
> job and I won't use them." Bob at least now, in the future, you could go
> back and fix those negs with a few hours of special work.
> 
> 
> 
> Eric Neilsen Photography
> 4101 Commerce Street
> Suite 9
> Dallas, TX 75226
> http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
> http://ericneilsenphotography.com
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of BOB KISS
> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:13 AM
> > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Forte Film fiasco
> >
> > DEAR MIKE,
> >     No body is perfect.
> >     A horror story:  I recall around 1988 I was trying to break into
> > shooting Opera stars for the New York Metropolitan Opera.  I finally
> > convinced a beautiful and important Diva to come to my studio for a
> > session.
> > I had top a make up and hair artist, fantastic clothing from a great
> > stylist, a great painted backdrop, and a 12X12 overhead silk.  It was a
> > really beautiful set up.  I shot on Pan F 120 in my Blad.  This was
> going
> > to
> > be a GREAT shoot.  I remember looking at the Polaroids with the client
> and
> > glowing.
> >     I processed the film and EVERY frame had imprints of numbers on
> > them.  It appears that, in Ilford's infinite wisdom, they had changed
> > suppliers of the backing paper who used a different printer with
> different
> > inks and solvents.  They didn't let the printed backing paper dry enough
> > and
> > the effluents from the solvents affected the emulsion and diffusion of
> > developer into the emulsion hence my ENTIRE shoot was ruined.  Obviously
> > Ilford had not tested their own product sufficiently.  My reputation
> with
> > the Met was still born and this fiasco cost me dearly in many ways.
> >     Needless to say I skulked back to the great yellow father with my
> > tail between my legs and stayed where quality control was taken more
> > seriously.  It isn't that I have never had problems with Kodak film but
> > they
> > were minor and resolved QUICKLY AND WITHOUT ARGUMENT.
> >     Oh, well...we can only hope that those suppliers who DO adjust their
> > businesses and film supply to the smaller demand of the contracted film
> > market will take our needs seriously as each of us may, actually, be
> more
> > important to their survival.
> >             CHEERS!
> >                     BOB
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Kirwan
> > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:40 PM
> > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Forte Film fiasco
> >
> > Richard:
> >
> > I have been a died-hard Ilford user for the past 40 years, and apart
> from
> > an
> > issue with HP4 have never had any quality control issues with Ilford
> > products, including Cibachrome and their foray into color and E6 films.
> In
> > fact one of my worst quality problems was with T-MAX 100 and Kodak
> > admitted
> > that the batch I had suffered from minus-density issues (pin-holes in
> the
> > emulsion)
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow
> > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:59 PM
> > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Forte Film fiasco
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christina Z. Anderson" <zphoto@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:56 AM
> > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Forte Film fiasco
> >
> >
> > >I cut and pasted his email below.
> > >
> > > I have not seen nor heard of another person experiencing
> > > this, and I showed it to one of the faculty that teaches
> > > the 12 sections of beginning photo and he had not seen it
> > > before. But I will keep my ears open. The one faculty
> > > wondered if it was humidity as an issue, but that
> > > certainly wouldn't have been in Bozeman, tho he was out of
> > > state over the break.
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Hi Chris,
> > > I forgot to mention that the batch of film that has water
> > > spots is
> > > FortePan 200, but sold under the Bergger label (200) and I
> > > bought it
> > > at B&H in New York.  The kind that had pinholes was a
> > > Forte 400 label
> > > from Freestyle.  I ordered a couple of rolls of lots of
> > > brands to try
> > > last year and both of the Fortes gave me trouble.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "EJ Neilsen" <ej@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:34 PM
> > > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Forte Film fiasco
> > >
> >
> >     It is exactly this kind of problem that worries me in
> > case Kodak goes out of the film business. The technology of
> > controlling the consistency of emulsions and coating has
> > been very highly perfected at Kodak, perhaps also at Ilford,
> > but not at the small companies who are making film. Kodak,
> > in particular, has been catering to the motion picture
> > business from its inception and that application requires
> > extremely close control of emulsion and coating quality. The
> > knowledge of how to accomplish this may be at least
> > partially proprietary and I suspect expensive to do. The
> > sort of problems I've seen described for Forte and other
> > small brands sound just like the kinds of problems reported
> > in the 1920's and before, maybe even worse. We are very used
> > to having extremely reliable sensitive materials, I think
> > Kodak and probably Fuji are still maintaining this standard,
> > but, if these big guys get out of the film business its
> > likely to set us back a century.
> >     Ilford is also a relatively large company but has had
> > its share of coating problems over the last couple of
> > decades. Ilford is head and shoulders better than makers
> > like Forte but not IMO quite up to the Kodak or Fuji
> > standards.
> >
> > ---
> > Richard Knoppow
> > Los Angeles, CA, USA
> > dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
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