[pure-silver] Film and Shipping (RE: Re: Forte Film fiasco)

I think we all have some of those horror stories. And they do effect how we
shoot and ship. It only takes a few times to sour a relationship. I know
that many will only use XYZ shipper because the competition lost or damaged
one of their important works. You'll sit there politely nodding your head
think, " Well doesn't that beat all, XYZ shipper did the same thing to my
job and I won't use them." Bob at least now, in the future, you could go
back and fix those negs with a few hours of special work. 



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of BOB KISS
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:13 AM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Forte Film fiasco
> 
> DEAR MIKE,
>       No body is perfect.
>       A horror story:  I recall around 1988 I was trying to break into
> shooting Opera stars for the New York Metropolitan Opera.  I finally
> convinced a beautiful and important Diva to come to my studio for a
> session.
> I had top a make up and hair artist, fantastic clothing from a great
> stylist, a great painted backdrop, and a 12X12 overhead silk.  It was a
> really beautiful set up.  I shot on Pan F 120 in my Blad.  This was going
> to
> be a GREAT shoot.  I remember looking at the Polaroids with the client and
> glowing.
>       I processed the film and EVERY frame had imprints of numbers on
> them.  It appears that, in Ilford's infinite wisdom, they had changed
> suppliers of the backing paper who used a different printer with different
> inks and solvents.  They didn't let the printed backing paper dry enough
> and
> the effluents from the solvents affected the emulsion and diffusion of
> developer into the emulsion hence my ENTIRE shoot was ruined.  Obviously
> Ilford had not tested their own product sufficiently.  My reputation with
> the Met was still born and this fiasco cost me dearly in many ways.
>       Needless to say I skulked back to the great yellow father with my
> tail between my legs and stayed where quality control was taken more
> seriously.  It isn't that I have never had problems with Kodak film but
> they
> were minor and resolved QUICKLY AND WITHOUT ARGUMENT.
>       Oh, well...we can only hope that those suppliers who DO adjust their
> businesses and film supply to the smaller demand of the contracted film
> market will take our needs seriously as each of us may, actually, be more
> important to their survival.
>               CHEERS!
>                       BOB
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Kirwan
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:40 PM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Forte Film fiasco
> 
> Richard:
> 
> I have been a died-hard Ilford user for the past 40 years, and apart from
> an
> issue with HP4 have never had any quality control issues with Ilford
> products, including Cibachrome and their foray into color and E6 films. In
> fact one of my worst quality problems was with T-MAX 100 and Kodak
> admitted
> that the batch I had suffered from minus-density issues (pin-holes in the
> emulsion)
> 
> Mike
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:59 PM
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Forte Film fiasco
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christina Z. Anderson" <zphoto@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:56 AM
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Forte Film fiasco
> 
> 
> >I cut and pasted his email below.
> >
> > I have not seen nor heard of another person experiencing
> > this, and I showed it to one of the faculty that teaches
> > the 12 sections of beginning photo and he had not seen it
> > before. But I will keep my ears open. The one faculty
> > wondered if it was humidity as an issue, but that
> > certainly wouldn't have been in Bozeman, tho he was out of
> > state over the break.
> > Chris
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> > I forgot to mention that the batch of film that has water
> > spots is
> > FortePan 200, but sold under the Bergger label (200) and I
> > bought it
> > at B&H in New York.  The kind that had pinholes was a
> > Forte 400 label
> > from Freestyle.  I ordered a couple of rolls of lots of
> > brands to try
> > last year and both of the Fortes gave me trouble.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "EJ Neilsen" <ej@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:34 PM
> > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Forte Film fiasco
> >
> 
>     It is exactly this kind of problem that worries me in
> case Kodak goes out of the film business. The technology of
> controlling the consistency of emulsions and coating has
> been very highly perfected at Kodak, perhaps also at Ilford,
> but not at the small companies who are making film. Kodak,
> in particular, has been catering to the motion picture
> business from its inception and that application requires
> extremely close control of emulsion and coating quality. The
> knowledge of how to accomplish this may be at least
> partially proprietary and I suspect expensive to do. The
> sort of problems I've seen described for Forte and other
> small brands sound just like the kinds of problems reported
> in the 1920's and before, maybe even worse. We are very used
> to having extremely reliable sensitive materials, I think
> Kodak and probably Fuji are still maintaining this standard,
> but, if these big guys get out of the film business its
> likely to set us back a century.
>     Ilford is also a relatively large company but has had
> its share of coating problems over the last couple of
> decades. Ilford is head and shoulders better than makers
> like Forte but not IMO quite up to the Kodak or Fuji
> standards.
> 
> ---
> Richard Knoppow
> Los Angeles, CA, USA
> dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
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