On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:04:35 -0400, you ("Justin F. Knotzke" <jknotzke@xxxxxxxxxx>) wrote: >> 135 hp5+ for a couple of 8x10" print and i don't think my area is >> worse than others, speaking of italy. > > One roll ? Wow. Either the Pros in your area produce really crappy >photos or they have the best hit/miss ratio in the world. One roll? don't ask my choice amongst these... well, joking apart, i think that the first thing is what kind of image you're looking for. is that "just" a portrait with a smile or other expression? a "good" roll may be enough. if you're shooting glamour-ish photos, it *can't* be enough. much depends on the model/subject for sure, too. i have a friend of mine who is a pro: he's got a shop and he does quite a bit of studio portraits for various private people. he often takes his preview prints at the photoclub and very often he's got 2 rolls, one hp5+ and one portra 160nc. for a couple of prints, it usually is enough. then he has an external lab that does the actual printing. people don't spend much and is happy with the results. >> complains that's expensive - nobody ever checks how expensive are home >> made prints with a pixma). > > I think one of two things can be summarized by your experiences >Gianni, first is that the market in Italy for photography is zero, >zilch, zippo. yes, i'd say that zero is a good approximation. > The key however to your anecdote is "Jazz musician" We aren't >dealing with people with tons of disposable income. that's true. they have low income: they get 100 eur to play one evening (this is why i presented one of the four prints to that friend of mine) and paying 10% of their income for a print is a consistent part of their income; however after having shot for 3 evenings at the same, say, bass player, he's got 300 eur and 10 eur for a print is 3.5%, not 10%. i'm shooting for myself, not for them, then it makes no difference if they ask me a print or not, but the point is that, as you stated, photography is a very little market. however, that's it. [...] >into the rafters to give his shots some pop. But really, for the >pathetic amount he sells, it's not worth it. So instead, he complains >that no one buys his work. i know the problem. if you're a football player or an f1 driver then you get *a lot* of money. if you do any other sports, you pay also for your sports apparel... > Masters road racers generally have cash to spend. It's not out of >the ordinary to see a guy with a $8,000+ bike. They train all winter for it's quite common even for amateurs to have those bikes :) it's like all the photo amateurs that use f5's or 1v's... >very well. I know, I asked him. He sells about 80% of what he brings. >All go for $20 a pop. not bad, i must say. there's something, sometimes, here in italy, too; it's more related to motorbike races (for non pro) and they sell quite a lot to racers, but expenses are very high, firstly because it's *hard* to get photographer's passes to access good points in raceways and you need to... ehm... "oil" somebody. > You have to compare apples with apples. you're right, but while talking sometimes you loose the thread... regards, -- Gianni Rondinini (30, tanti, RA) Nikon user - Bmw driver http://bugbarbeq.deviantart.com ============================================================================================================To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.