[pure-silver] Re: Developer and Neg Density
- From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:21:58 -0700
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From: "Adrienne Moumin" <photowonder2010@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:41 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] Developer and Neg Density
Mark Blackwell's question about neg density brought to
mind something that's been on my mind since I set up my
darkroom 1-1/2 yrs ago.
I have a Saunders LPL 4550XLG enlarger w/the color module,
and it has been a stretch to get used to it since I've
almost always printed on condensor enlargers. I
consistently find that the light is alot less contrasty
than I am used to, as well as somewhat dimmer.
I use Edwal FG-7 w/ 10% sodium sulfite for fine grain. I
didn't realize different developers influenced neg density
the way Richard mentioned. I'm wondering whether I should
also try D-76 for the extra 3/4 stop.
Thanks in advance for any advice,
Adrienne Moumin
PS-Christina, welcome back, and I love your work too!
Standard developers will all deliver the same contrast if
the development time is correct. There ARE special
developers for very high (like lith) and very low (like POTA
or Technidol) contrast but otherwise its a matter of time.
Kodak time/temperature charts are given for a contrast
index suitable for contact printing or diffusion enlargers.
That should work OK for your enlarger because most color
heads are diffusion sources. In a condenser enlarger these
negatives may take one grade softer paper to print with the
same tone rendition. Not a bit deal with modern VC papers.
The difference in _effective_ contrast is due to
something called the Callier Effect. Callier discovered that
the grains of silver scattered some of the light striking
them. In a condenser enlarger the light is _collimated_ that
is, it reaches the film in parallel rays. Some of this light
is scattered out of the optical path, that is, away from
going to the lens, so the densities appear to be higher. A
diffuse source has ligth coming from all directions, or,
more exactly, from most of a hemisphere. Some of this light
is also scattered away from going toward the lens but light
from other angles is scattered _toward_ the lens, so, the
densities appear to be less than with a condenser source.
The amount of Callier effect, sometimes also called Q
factor, varies with the granular structure and thickness of
the silver layer. Generally, it is somewhat greater for
coarse grain film than for fine grain film. Color film,
where the image is composed of very small dye particles,
which are also transparent, has almost no Callier effect, so
color negatives or slides print with about the same contrast
regardless of the type of light source.
In any case, the contrast of the negative can be exactly
compensated for by changing the grade of printing paper. In
his well known book _Controlls in Black and White
Photography_ Dr. Richard Henry shows tests he made of
printing with both types of sources. In one case the
negative contrast was adjusted and prints made on the same
grade paper, in the other test the same negative was used
and paper grade changed. In both cases the two curves lie
exactly on top of each other.
In its data sheets for film Kodak usually gives a
correction factor for negatives for condenser printing.
Ilford curves are evidently compromise values which will
print within about one half paper grade on either type. Agfa
seems to have used diffuse values.
While the ISO does not specify a contrast index or
average contrst in the speed standard for B7
&W sill film, it does specify a range of density to be
obtained from a range of exposure, which amounts to the same
thing. The effective contrast of the standard is about right
for contact printing and diffusion enlarging. Since the
speed is valid for only this value changing contrast by
varying development also affects effective film speed. A
reduction in contrast results in a reduction of effective
film speed, conversely, increasing development to increase
contrast also increases effective film speed.
Note there that one can NOT "push" film without
increasing contrast or "pull" it without decreasing
contrast.
As a rule of thumb, the amount of increase or decrease of
development time for a one paper grade difference in
contrast varies with the type of film. For conventional type
emulsions it is about +/- 25% to 33%, for Tabular grain
films, its less, around 15% to 25%. This more rapid change
in contrast with development for tabular grain films
accounts for some of the troubles people have with T-Max
contast. Of course, the variation will also be greater with
temperature variations and variations in agitation.
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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have a Saunders LPL 4550XLG enlarger w/the color module, and it has been a stretch to get used to it since I've almost always printed on condensor enlargers. I consistently find that the light is alot less contrasty than I am used to, as well as somewhat dimmer.
I use Edwal FG-7 w/ 10% sodium sulfite for fine grain. I didn't realize different developers influenced neg density the way Richard mentioned. I'm wondering whether I should also try D-76 for the extra 3/4 stop.
Thanks in advance for any advice,
Adrienne Moumin
PS-Christina, welcome back, and I love your work too!
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