[pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra

I've been happy with the paper. The variable contrast FB sheet is very well priced. I've only tried the glossy, and it seems a lot like Foma Variant 111 which is a very good sheet. One thing I did notice was little dark spots that showed up on the print as it was washing out, and were gone by the time the image dried.
If anyone has tried Arista EDU smei matte I'd like to know how it compares to Kentmere Finegrain (which I like a lot).
In any case the Arista paper is so inexpensive you can use it to get familiar with a print, waste those sheets learning how to respond to the negative, and then move on to the paper you want to edition on. Of course you'll have to establish the relationship between the two papers. But I wouldn't hesitate to edition on the Arista paper. It's good stuff. 

Elias

On Oct 22, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Mark Blackwell wrote:
IF the film works well maybe I will try the paper. For me that would be a far bigger savings and it has one other important feature.
--- On Wed, 10/22/08, eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 


From: eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 4:32 PM
The film scans very well. It can curl like a spring through,
and I tape it face down to my flat bed scanner rather than
try to hold it in those flimsy plastic frames. It develops
well in Rodinal and D76 (I presoak this film for 2
minutes).  I use an acid stop bath - Ilfostop, or
Kodak's indicator stop bath. I make sure I mix all my
chems to the right dilution, I also make sure I'm within
2 degrees from the developer temp. I've seen a pinhole
or dust curl in some frames from Arista, never the whole
roll, never more than a spec here or there. Too bad for one
frame that would have been a great print (I guess I'll
scan it and photoshop it)


My first ever roll of film (ever... since I started doing
it all myself) was HP5+ from a 100 foot roll. Never a
problem that wasn't something I could tell was operator
error. Even though bulk loading is just an opportunity to
ruin a film before you even start shooting. When I've
used up all my other films, I'm going back to Ilford,
(or Kodak I suppose). The cheaper films have their place for
people like me who learn  empirically,  but if I needed to
depend on the outcome they'd get put aside without a
thought.


E.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Blackwell"
<mblackwell1958@xxxxxxxxx>
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:53:05 PM GMT -05:00
US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra

Well with two different reports, it simply can't be
ignored as a possibility, especially when you consider the
relatively small sample size.  Yet going totally water may
not be my solution.  Instead I am like many people in that
if one pill cures you, two must cure you twice as fast.

The reverse can also be true.  If X is causing a problem,
get rid of it all.  Instead of totally eliminating the acid
stop bath, I think I am going to try reducing the strength
by about 50% and see what happens.  It should help stop the
development with a far reduced risk of pinholes.

I could use and will use a water stop bath, and frankly I
wonder just how much continued development actually occurs
in a solution that has very little developer left.

I also wonder just how far I would need to dilute the stop
so that it goes into a developing tank good, and when it
comes out the indicator says its spent and just use it once.
 It probably would be far weaker than I expect.

I tend to belong to more of the TLAR school of photography.
 For me its more intuitive and less technical.  What's
the TLAR school of photography???  It stands for "That
Looks About Right".

Still for $2 a roll, if its even remotely serviceable,
there is a place for it in my work.  Maybe not a large
place, but a place none the less.

I am curious also to see how this film scans.


--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tim Daneliuk
<tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 1:56 PM
Mark Blackwell wrote:

Janet how strong was your stop bath???


I had a similar thought when I read this. I *never*

use an

active stop
bath for film. Developers are alkaline, stop baths are

acid

- that's
why they stop the development. It is, however,

possible to

get
pinholing when the emulsion moves from the alkali to

acid

environments.

I long ago switched to a running water "stop
bath" for all film
processing. Development does not stop instantly, but

that

just gets
factored into the overall personal ASA/development

times

I've come up
with per the usual zone system calibration.





--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Janet Cull

<jcull@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



From: Janet Cull <jcull@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:34 PM

 Anyone ever use this film?

 What did

you like or

dislike?

I tried it and ended up with images I would

have

liked to

print, but
with tiny holes in the emulsion.  Not good!







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