[pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra

I agree that film "If the job is important" is the least of your worries.  At 
that point, I wouldn't think even a half second about using what I really 
thought would work best without a thought for cost.  IF cost is an issue in a 
pro job, you aren't charging enough.  IF you are on a once in a lifetime trip, 
think how much would it take to make that trip twice to redo the prints.  At 
that point its penny wise and pound foolish.  Film is probably one of the 
smallest percentage of the cost associated with photography, but its not zero.  
Actually for me its the paper for b&w printing that seems to cost me more than 
anything else.

IF the film works well maybe I will try the paper.  For me that would be a far 
bigger savings and it has one other important feature.  IF it has a problem, I 
still have a negative to redo the print.


--- On Wed, 10/22/08, eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx <eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 4:32 PM
> The film scans very well. It can curl like a spring through,
> and I tape it face down to my flat bed scanner rather than
> try to hold it in those flimsy plastic frames. It develops
> well in Rodinal and D76 (I presoak this film for 2
> minutes).  I use an acid stop bath - Ilfostop, or
> Kodak's indicator stop bath. I make sure I mix all my
> chems to the right dilution, I also make sure I'm within
> 2 degrees from the developer temp. I've seen a pinhole
> or dust curl in some frames from Arista, never the whole
> roll, never more than a spec here or there. Too bad for one
> frame that would have been a great print (I guess I'll
> scan it and photoshop it) 
> 
> 
> My first ever roll of film (ever... since I started doing
> it all myself) was HP5+ from a 100 foot roll. Never a
> problem that wasn't something I could tell was operator
> error. Even though bulk loading is just an opportunity to
> ruin a film before you even start shooting. When I've
> used up all my other films, I'm going back to Ilford,
> (or Kodak I suppose). The cheaper films have their place for
> people like me who learn  empirically,  but if I needed to
> depend on the outcome they'd get put aside without a
> thought. 
> 
> 
> E. 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Blackwell"
> <mblackwell1958@xxxxxxxxx> 
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:53:05 PM GMT -05:00
> US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra 
> 
> Well with two different reports, it simply can't be
> ignored as a possibility, especially when you consider the
> relatively small sample size.  Yet going totally water may
> not be my solution.  Instead I am like many people in that
> if one pill cures you, two must cure you twice as fast. 
> 
> The reverse can also be true.  If X is causing a problem,
> get rid of it all.  Instead of totally eliminating the acid
> stop bath, I think I am going to try reducing the strength
> by about 50% and see what happens.  It should help stop the
> development with a far reduced risk of pinholes. 
> 
> I could use and will use a water stop bath, and frankly I
> wonder just how much continued development actually occurs
> in a solution that has very little developer left. 
> 
> I also wonder just how far I would need to dilute the stop
> so that it goes into a developing tank good, and when it
> comes out the indicator says its spent and just use it once.
>  It probably would be far weaker than I expect. 
> 
> I tend to belong to more of the TLAR school of photography.
>  For me its more intuitive and less technical.  What's
> the TLAR school of photography???  It stands for "That
> Looks About Right". 
> 
> Still for $2 a roll, if its even remotely serviceable,
> there is a place for it in my work.  Maybe not a large
> place, but a place none the less.   
> 
> I am curious also to see how this film scans.     
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tim Daneliuk
> <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> 
> > From: Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra 
> > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 1:56 PM 
> > Mark Blackwell wrote: 
> > > Janet how strong was your stop bath??? 
> > 
> > I had a similar thought when I read this. I *never*
> use an 
> > active stop 
> > bath for film. Developers are alkaline, stop baths are
> acid 
> > - that's 
> > why they stop the development. It is, however,
> possible to 
> > get 
> > pinholing when the emulsion moves from the alkali to
> acid 
> > environments. 
> > 
> > I long ago switched to a running water "stop 
> > bath" for all film 
> > processing. Development does not stop instantly, but
> that 
> > just gets 
> > factored into the overall personal ASA/development
> times 
> > I've come up 
> > with per the usual zone system calibration. 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Janet Cull 
> > <jcull@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> > > 
> > >> From: Janet Cull <jcull@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> > >> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra 
> > >> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > >> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:34 PM 
> > >>>>  Anyone ever use this film?  
>  What did 
> > you like or 
> > >> dislike? 
> > >> 
> > >> I tried it and ended up with images I would
> have 
> > liked to 
> > >> print, but   
> > >> with tiny holes in the emulsion.  Not good! 
> > >> 
> > >> 
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