[pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra

The film scans very well. It can curl like a spring through, and I tape it face 
down to my flat bed scanner rather than try to hold it in those flimsy plastic 
frames. It develops well in Rodinal and D76 (I presoak this film for 2 
minutes).  I use an acid stop bath - Ilfostop, or Kodak's indicator stop bath. 
I make sure I mix all my chems to the right dilution, I also make sure I'm 
within 2 degrees from the developer temp. I've seen a pinhole or dust curl in 
some frames from Arista, never the whole roll, never more than a spec here or 
there. Too bad for one frame that would have been a great print (I guess I'll 
scan it and photoshop it) 


My first ever roll of film (ever... since I started doing it all myself) was 
HP5+ from a 100 foot roll. Never a problem that wasn't something I could tell 
was operator error. Even though bulk loading is just an opportunity to ruin a 
film before you even start shooting. When I've used up all my other films, I'm 
going back to Ilford, (or Kodak I suppose). The cheaper films have their place 
for people like me who learn  empirically,  but if I needed to depend on the 
outcome they'd get put aside without a thought. 


E. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Blackwell" <mblackwell1958@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:53:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra 

Well with two different reports, it simply can't be ignored as a possibility, 
especially when you consider the relatively small sample size.  Yet going 
totally water may not be my solution.  Instead I am like many people in that if 
one pill cures you, two must cure you twice as fast. 

The reverse can also be true.  If X is causing a problem, get rid of it all.  
Instead of totally eliminating the acid stop bath, I think I am going to try 
reducing the strength by about 50% and see what happens.  It should help stop 
the development with a far reduced risk of pinholes. 

I could use and will use a water stop bath, and frankly I wonder just how much 
continued development actually occurs in a solution that has very little 
developer left. 

I also wonder just how far I would need to dilute the stop so that it goes into 
a developing tank good, and when it comes out the indicator says its spent and 
just use it once.  It probably would be far weaker than I expect. 

I tend to belong to more of the TLAR school of photography.  For me its more 
intuitive and less technical.  What's the TLAR school of photography???  It 
stands for "That Looks About Right". 

Still for $2 a roll, if its even remotely serviceable, there is a place for it 
in my work.  Maybe not a large place, but a place none the less.   

I am curious also to see how this film scans.     


--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

> From: Tim Daneliuk <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra 
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 1:56 PM 
> Mark Blackwell wrote: 
> > Janet how strong was your stop bath??? 
> 
> I had a similar thought when I read this. I *never* use an 
> active stop 
> bath for film. Developers are alkaline, stop baths are acid 
> - that's 
> why they stop the development. It is, however, possible to 
> get 
> pinholing when the emulsion moves from the alkali to acid 
> environments. 
> 
> I long ago switched to a running water "stop 
> bath" for all film 
> processing. Development does not stop instantly, but that 
> just gets 
> factored into the overall personal ASA/development times 
> I've come up 
> with per the usual zone system calibration. 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Janet Cull 
> <jcull@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> > 
> >> From: Janet Cull <jcull@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> >> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Arista EDU Ultra 
> >> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:34 PM 
> >>>>  Anyone ever use this film?    What did 
> you like or 
> >> dislike? 
> >> 
> >> I tried it and ended up with images I would have 
> liked to 
> >> print, but   
> >> with tiny holes in the emulsion.  Not good! 
> >> 
> >> 
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