[pure-silver] Re: Ansco 221 Observations & Questions
- From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:08:40 -0700
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From: "Steve Nicholls" <gl1500@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Ansco 221 Observations &
Questions
As a further question on toners -- What type of yoner is
Agfa Viradon?
I have found it works well with a partially bleached print
and then redeveloped in a 1:50 bath of Viradon.
Quite rich brown as long as the image isn't completely
removed by the bleach.
Also does anyone know the keeping quality of the mixed
Viradon toner?
Agfa made two types of toners under the name Viradon. The
older toner was a combination of a Polysulfide and a
Selenium toner similar, but probably not identical to, Kodak
Polytoner. The later version of Viradon is a Polysulfide
toner without the Selenium. I've forgotten how long ago the
change was made but I think about ten years.
Polysulfide toners, like Viradon and Kodak Brown Toner,
do not need the bleach step although they will redevelop
bleached prints. This is a "direct" toner but both the Agfa
and Kodak versions work very slowly unless heated to about
100F. Because Polysulfide toners affect all densities
equally they provide good protection to an image even when
only partially toned. The current recommended toner for
protecting microfilm is a Polysulfide toner.
I don't know the life of the mixed toner. I've had some
Kodak Brown Toner that was mixed quite a long time ago and
still appears to be OK.
Its possible to get something like (but probably not
identical to) the discontinued old Viradon or Kodak
Polytoner by mixing Kodak Brown Toner with Kodak Rapid
Selenium Toner along with some Sodium Carbonate. This
mixture works quite fast even at room temperature. I've
posted the formula to this list in the past so it should
still be in the archives. The color produced by the
combination toner is a bit different than either toner
alone.
While prints toned in a Polysulfide toner can just be
washed after toning there is an advantage in treating them
in a Sodium Sulfite bath. The Sulfite immediately clears the
yellow stain and also stops the toning process which
otherwise continues for a time in the wash. While the
instructions call for 10% sulfite I've found that working
strength Kodak Hypo Clearing Bath seems to work fine.
Note that Polysulfide toners have the peculiar property
of working faster as they become exhausted or diluted. This
is one reason for using the sulfite "stop" bath before
washing. Also, very diluted or mostly exhuasted Polysulfide
toner can leave an overall yellow or peach-colored stain. I
don't know of any way to remove this stain.
Like most other toners the speed of toning and final
image color depend on the properties of the original image
and emulsion. In general, and for most toners, warm tone
papers tone faster and yellower than cold tone ones. This is
partially due to the size of the silver particals of which
the image is made. Again, as a rule of thumb, the finer the
silver grains the yellower the original image color. This is
why some extra-fine-grain film developers leave a brownish
image.
AFAIL, Agfa Viradon is no longer made although someone
is supposed to be making some of the old Agfa chemicals
again. Kodak Brown Toner is definitely still made and is
available. One can also make a Polysulfide toner using Kodak
Formula T-8. Polysulfide is also known as Liver of Sulphur.
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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have found it works well with a partially bleached print and then redeveloped in a 1:50 bath of Viradon.
Quite rich brown as long as the image isn't completely removed by the bleach.
Also does anyone know the keeping quality of the mixed Viradon toner?
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