Fran has edited the page at http://puppylinux.org/wikka/SelfHostingPuppy to suggest that M5, the initial graphical Puppy variant that is built entirely from source as a result of the SelfHostingPuppy project, be based on EmtpyCrust. I don't understand how it can be, since EmptyCrust is not built from source, which is the primary goal of SelfHostingPuppy. We can perhaps take ideas on what we can safely omit by looking at the EmtpyCrust package list, but "based on" suggests a more direct link. How can that work, and yet still ensure the whole of the result is built from source under Puppy itself? What would the project gain by switching from M4 "Puppy Commander" to Empty Crust as a base for M5? I'm confused by this new suggestion... please help me to understand it. Jonathan -- Jonathan Marsden jmarsden@xxxxxxxxxxx -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin