[projectaon] Re: Outstanding Errata Sprint (Week 6)
- From: "David Davis" <feline1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:39:19 +0100
But read the instructions for Combat, for instance -
Your combat skill with be a cumulative total of several things (e.g.
sommerswerd, mindblast, weaponskill...)
Each individual section for the discipline or item surely says to “add X to
your CS”.
Nobody thinks “oh, I can’t add 2 to my CS for mindblast cos it already told me
to add 2 to my CS for weaponskill”
From: Crusty Chris
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 12:24 PM
To: projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [projectaon] Re: Outstanding Errata Sprint (Week 6)
basically if person A tells you to pick a number (any number), and person B
tells you to "add 2 to the number picked" and person C tells you to "add 3 to
the number picked" then logically you'd have 2 numbers (x+2 and x+3). you
cannot combine the two instructions (into x+5) because they specifically say to
add to the number picked.
If person A tells you to pick another number and person B tells you to "add 2
to the total" and person C tells you to "add 3 to the total" then you have one
number, the total (y+5)
the two phrases are telling you to do completely different things.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:23 PM, David Davis <feline1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I don’t see why adding x “to the the number picked” precludes also
cumulatively adding other X’s to the number picked as well!
cf: there’s loads of bonuses accumulate on your CS and EP all the time from
multiple disciplines and items.
where does it say that?
WS/WM tells you to "add 3 points" to CS when you have a weapon youve mastered
mindblast/psi-surge tells you to add "4 EXTRA points" to CS and specifically
states it stacks with WM
lore circles tell you to add "extra bonus points"
the sommerswerd tells you to use +10 if you have WS and that it doesnt stack
with WS
all these counter your point/support mine. I cant find any cases that back your
statement up - not that Ive looked too hard mind you.
Im sure there was a note somewhere that said you gained CS each Grandmaster
level you gained but i cant find that.
Interestingly Kai-Surge doesnt say it can be used with GWM, and doesnt say
"extra points" either :/
yah for reading the rules too closely again :) Im going to go out on a limb
here and say that this exception should probably be worded like
mindblast/psi-surge though (and be used with GWM).
(all quotes based off the online versions)
From: Timothy Pederick
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:14 AM
To: projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [projectaon] Re: Outstanding Errata Sprint (Week 6)
On 28 June 2011 05:42, Chris Neilson <crusty.chris@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Not saying I dont agree with you re the bonus stacking, but my original
point was that this was a forth option that had not been considered in
Tim's list. It all depends on whether or not its an argument that has
been "seriously proposed". The point was that nearly everyone ASSUMED
the bonus was cumulative - the rules dont specifically state that it is.
I think the fact that "nearly everyone" reads the rules a certain way is in
fact a very good argument for Project Aon to interpret them that way. :-)
Consensus is good. So is not surprising the readers and provoking them to email
us with questions or complaints!
Compare this to the Silver Bow of Duadon. It is stated to "add 3 points
to your TOTAL whenever you are using a Bow" (06tkot sect252) - "total"
implies cumulative bonus, although the Mentora Improved Discipline says
"add 2 to the NUMBER PICKED" (the "Bows and Arrows" Equipment section
says something similar ie "add 3 to any number that you choose") - which
definitely implies not cumulative.
I think you're reading too much intent into Dever's wording. I don't think he
was being deliberate in choosing "to your total" vs. "to the number picked".
On 28 June 2011 09:11, Benjamin I Krefetz <krefetz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Maybe someone who feels like grepping the xml files can check to confirm,
but I believe the only time LW throws a Dagger in the Magnakai series is when
he throws the Dagger of Vashna at Zakhan Kimah, and in that case the reader is
specifically instructed to add 3.
I come up with just two (using a hastily composed grep -i
"random.*weaponmastery.*dagger"), both in 09tcof. There's the one against
Kimah, of course (section 239), but also section 215 where you throw a dagger
at a guard to shut him up. There, you get a +4 bonus.
Kind of makes you wonder what the Mentora bonus (available no sooner than
10tdot) is actually for, especially if it doesn't stack with WM-with-Bow...
(Do note that this is only finding cases where you get a bonus to a random
pick for having [Grand] Weaponmastery. Searching for every instance of random
picks involving daggers is significantly harder...)
--
Tim Pederick
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