My suggestion re 04tcod-123: "At the entrance, you find a discarded wooden crate, containing six Torches and a Tinderbox. The mines are dark and you will need to use at least one Torch to light your way. You can take as many as you wish but remember each Torch counts as one Backpack Item, so be sure to make the appropriate changes to your Action Chart." > "At the entrance, you find a discarded wooden crate, containing six Torches and a Tinderbox. The mines are dark and you will need to use at least one torch [sic] to light your way. You can take as many additional Torches as you wish but remember each one counts as Backpack Item, so be sure to make the appropriate changes to your Action Chart." with the footnote: "You are assumed to carry at least one lit torch [sic] into the mine here; this is carried in the hand and there is no need to record it on your Action Chart. For the sake of continuity with subsequent sections, you are also assumed to take the Tinderbox; this counts as a Backpack Item, and we suggest you discard one item in its favour if your Backpack is full. If you already possess an alternative means of illumination (e.g. a Kalte Firesphere) then there is no need to take the Tinderbox." Benefits of this combination of slight emendation of original text plus footnote: - Scenario 1: you already have a Kalte Firesphere - you don't have to do anything to your action chart. Hurrah! - Scenario 2: you have no Firesphere; you just light PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">On 12/04/2011 10:33, David Davis wrote: > Hah! > > OK, so I think that to summarize: > - there's no need for players to record the first torch they take on > their action chart. > - for gameplay reasons though, they do need to take the Tinderbox and > record that as a Backpack Item (because on some routes, you put out your > Torch when you take a nap in the mines, then relight it). However if > they have a Kalte firesphere, they don't need to take the Tinderbox. > - any extra Torches are backpack items. > > So, I'd suggest a footnote along the lines of "Unless you possess a Kate > Firesphere, the it is assumed you take the Tinderbox here. Record it on > your Action Chart as a Backpack Item." Hmm. I've attempted to revise the footnote, but it seems rather wordy and complicated now. "For the sake of continuity with subsequent sections, you are assumed to take a Torch into the mine here, even if you are carrying an alternate means of providing illumination, though you need not mark the lit Torch on your Action Chart as a Backpack Item as you are carrying it in your hand. Also, unless you are carrying an alternate means of creating fire, you must take the Tinderbox to prevent continuity errors as you journey through the mine. Record it on your Action Chart as a Backpack Item; you must discard one item in its favour if your Backpack is full." Maybe it would be better to simply force the player to take the Tinderbox with them: "For the sake of continuity with subsequent sections, you are assumed to take a Torch and the Tinderbox into the mine here, even if you are carrying an alternate means of providing illumination. Record the Tinderbox on your Action Chart as a Backpack Item; you must discard one item in its favour if your Backpack is full. You need not mark the lit Torch on your Action Chart as a Backpack Item as you are carrying it in your hand." ...or... Change the text of Section 123 from: You can take as many as you wish but remember each Torch counts as one Backpack Item, -> You can take as many as you wish but remember each Torch except the one you have just lit counts as one Backpack Item, and simplify the footnote accordingly: "For the sake of continuity with subsequent sections, you are assumed to take a Torch and the Tinderbox into the mine here, even if you are carrying an alternate means of providing illumination. Record the Tinderbox on your Action Chart as a Backpack Item; you must discard one item in its favour if your Backpack is full." Thoughts? -- Simon Osborne Project Aon ~~~~~~ Manage your subscription at