Julio, You're right. The W3C's Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG), from which the 508 checkpoints come, do encourage the use of CSS style sheets. The idea they're promoting is to completely separate structure from presentation. If you provide a page with good structure through HTML, the idea is that someone should be able to read that information, whether they have CSS enabled or not. It might not look as beautiful, but it should still be accessible in the most pure sense. Equally, it is then possible for someone to use their own style sheet and apply it to a website. This is much more rare, but effectively it means that nothing in the presentation is hard coded. It can be overridden by the user or turned off by the user completely. You can take this to many different levels. On my site, I have a style switcher. On the following page you can select a theme for the website: http://www.tink.co.uk/content/style_switcher.php To a screen reader user, the site looks and behaves exactly the same way, regardless of which theme you choose. This is because a screen reader pays very little attention to CSS and focuses mainly on the HTML structure of the page. Visually though, the navigation moves to different locations on the page, the colour scheme changes and other visual effects come into play. The idea is that because the structure and the presentation are completely separate, you can provide a visual look and feel most appropriate to your audience, whilst leaving the HTML structure in tact. Regards, Léonie. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez Sent: 09 October 2007 12:43 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: web accessibility testing When you say "style sheets" are you speaking of "cascading style sheets (CSS)"? If so, why would you want to "stay independent of style sheets". I thought that the w3c and 508 guidelines promote the use of style sheets. Can you enlighten me on this matter? Sincerely, Julio C. Perez Let us be aware of the source of being, common to us all and to all living things.? Thich Nhat Hanh jcperez1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robbie Miller Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 12:34 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: web accessibility testing Hello Léonie, I'll give this tool a try. Thanks. Robbie robbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Léonie Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: RE: web accessibility testing Robbie, For a foreground/background colour pair to show good contrast, they should pass tests for colour difference and brightness. The W3C provides two algorithms for working these out. Essentially, a colour pair must return a score of 500 or higher for colour difference and a score of 125 or higher for brightness. HP propose a slightly more lenient score of 400 for colour brightness, which is perfectly acceptable. There are several online tools you can use to test two colours, providing you have the hex colour codes. There's one on my site: http://www.tink.co.uk/content/colour_checker.php Regards, Léonie. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robbie Miller Sent: 05 October 2007 15:01 To: Blind Programming Subject: web accessibility testing Hello Listers, I've been asked to do an accessibility - section 508 evaluation of a web site. My question is, how can I test a page to see if it: 1.) "Remain Independent of Color" and 2.) "Stay Independent of Style Sheets"? Are there any tools I can use to do this? Any help on this would be appreciated. Also, if there are any resources on web accessibility testing, please let me know. Thank you. Robbie robbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ NOD32 2574 (20071005) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind