Re: vb code?

It is somewhat, if you click on things and add them, but you also lose the features of the IDE. There are also people that know how to write the code in an IDE, regardless of having it done for them, it's more a matter of taking the time to learn it, IMO. 

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Tyler Littlefield
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: RE: vb code?


Hi,
Another benefit of using a text editor is that you truly get to know what the code is doing. This is more difficult with an intigrated development environment, because you don't know what it's doing automatically unless you work very hard at it. 
Jim

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:01 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: vb code?

Not surprisingly perhaps, I agree with Jared about the competitiveness
of a powerful, accessible editor over a visually-oriented IDE.
IntelliSense is certainly helpful, but the IDE comes with a lot of
baggage that amounts to trade offs.  Much time is wasted trying to make
it work in a friendly and efficient manner with a screen reader.  The
generated code is often verbose and unclear, so once one needs to tweak
the behavior, time is lost in trying to understand and change the code in
a way that will not be unde by the supposed intelligence of the IDE.
More source doe is involved because of the template-like generated code
rather than fine-tuned manual code.  The numerous project files are a
management issue in themselves, making it hard to know what file is doing
what when.

Yes, it takes more time too look up syntax in documentation without
IntelliSense, but once the concepts and syntax are learned by necessity,
they pay off in dividents!

I did everything I could to make Visual Studio as usable as possible
with JAWS, yet I ultimately concluded that I was considerably more
productive with keeping close to the code with a text editor that lets
me do that.

Of course, if one is working on a team that uses an IDE, then it may be
necessary to do so, just as it may be necessary to use sighted conventions
like indentation even when they do not help, and may even hinder, a speech
user.

There are particular things an IDE is helpful for, e.g., automatically
beautifying source code for sighted consumption.  I am not saying that a
text editor is better than an IDE for most programmers, but I definately
think it is a legitimate, productive choice for many, especially for blind
programmers contending with visually oriented development tools.

Jamal

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Jared Wright
wrote:


Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:47:54 -0500
From: Jared Wright <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: vb code?

Rick is certainly entitled to his thoughts on the issue, but for the
sake of hearing the other side I'll say that I get along just fine
without the IDE. Now I'm sure the situations scale a little higher than
the ones I'm in at the moment, but certainly I've done work on fairly
complex, team-based software development projects using the .net
framework. It's all about finding the environment that is comfortable to
your personal nuances and habits, I think. The IDE may be an option for
some, but I must disagree with its being a necessity.

Jared

On 3/26/2009 1:57 PM, Ricks Place wrote:
> Hi Alex:
> Did you set up your IDE for working with a Screen Reader and make use
> of the JAWS Scripts?
> If you are going to do any real programming you will need to work in
> an IDE. There is just too much complexity and too many lines of code
> to work in a Text Editor  for anything but a small demo project.
> How are you going to handle any Interop or SDK technicals? What about
> DataBase, DataSets and Forms or Pages if you want to work on the net?
> Are you going to wire up all the web.config or app.config settings by
> hand?
> If you want to play around a little your plan is fine. If you are
> going to work on any real projects or do any work at an educational
> institution you need to learn how to make the IDE work to your
> satisfaction. That can be done.
> Rick USA
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