RE: teaching a totally blind person to program

I've had much luck with lisp, for this purpose.

Take care,
Sina


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob J.
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:04 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: teaching a totally blind person to program

In my opinion, "the basics of programming" are independent of specific
languages.  The basics of programming are things like input screening,
output formatting, decision making, flow control, array traversal, etc.  The
best place to begin experimenting with these concepts is in the command mode
of an interpreted language.  This gives the beginner the opportunity to get
immediate feedback on the results of simple commands without the need to
produce a completed program or even to create a user interface.
Unfortunately, I know of no interpreted language that works well with screen
readers within the Windows environment!!  GWBasic for DOS was the last easy
to learn environment that I have seen.

Good luck!!!

Bob


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim" <jhomme1028@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: teaching a totally blind person to program


Hi Jared,
I really think someone can start with notepad. Unfortunately, at first,
they're going to have to do console applications to keep the learning curve
down. You may be able to get along OK with teaching them HTML including
forms so they can have an interface to work with, then do something like
PHP, so they can sort of have a GUI, but a smaller learning curve on that
end since it would be in the browser. I'm not sure which language I would
start with. It really depends what they want to do with their programs. This
kind of question usually starts a religious debate.

Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jared Stofflett" <stofflet@xxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:17 PM
Subject: teaching a totally blind person to program


>I learned to program on a braille lite using basic so my experience isn't
>helpful in this instance. What would you recommend to teach a blind person
>the basics of programming assuming they have no commandline experience? I'm
>thinking staying away from overly complex ides like Visual Studio and
>possibly Eclipse is a good way to go but then that brings you back to the
>commandline which I'd like to avoid to start with. Thanks for any
>suggestions.
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