Re: state of the list as I know it at this time ...

I could keep a copy of what ever.
I'm just a lonely teen with lots of time to kill over the summer. ;)
Cool alias though, I'm curious how that'd work out.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: state of the list as I know it at this time ...


Thanks for the complements, but opinion, alone, should not drive this
decision.

Let's do this.

Jeff, can you please make a list of all the subscribers to this list and
back that up in three different places, then email it to three different
people on here?  I'd suggest Inthane, Ken, and myself, but others like
jamal, Teddy, Ty, and Laura are all safe bets too.

This way, if sh*t happens, we all can reassemble the list, no matter what.

Feel free to send me the list as it is put out by whatever management
software, mailman I think it is,  you're using, and I can return it as a
mail alias friendly format for you by writing a quick perl one liner to do
that.

Also, I can set it up as an absolute mergency alias on my domain, so if you
ever email a special email address I give you, you can always reach every
member of this list ... They can't reach everyone else, but they'll be able
to write you back.

This way, if you ever need to send out list instructions or anything else,
and heaven forbid this particular list is screwed up due to whatever reason,
you have a way.

Then, we have a much more firm safety net if we go to google groups, and it
turns out that we have natorious Sina like luck with their subscription
process.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:17 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: state of the list as I know it at this time ...

something I would like to point out to those who don't know it, Sina has
been with this list longer than I have, holds the only full set of archives
I know of, and has been a strong supporter of the group, what I would
consider a senior member, though he isn't that old, grins.

so I will stand with him on such decisions about the list.

inthane
proprietor, The Grab Bag,
for blind computer users and programmers
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
www.alacorncomputer.com
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:53 PM
Subject: RE: state of the list as I know it at this time ...


As long as we don't' have to subskribe to the list on google groups.

I have managed, and am managing, countless lists in the past, and am a
member of far too many currently, and consistently, without fail, the
subscription process to a google groups list is the most frustrating, the
most obtuse, the most annoying, the most blind unfriendly, most
inaccessible, and most irritating process I have ever had the displeasure
of
ever encountering or enduring.

Not that I feel strongly about the subject, or anything.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Bishop
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:27 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: state of the list as I know it at this time ...

Alex,

Thank you for your reply.

I would like to hear by everyone that is interested in replying to this
topic by the end of next week as to whether or not you care if we move the
list to Googlegroups.  I will do what the list subscribers feel is best.

Jeff Bishop

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:23 PM
Subject: e: state of the list as I know it at this time ...


Again, thanks for doing this.  Personally, I would like to switch to
another list provider, like Google or Yahoo.  For some reason, most
anyone

using a BrailleNote, as I am, will have the first character in their
subject line cut off when sending a message to any Freelist group, which
is why my subjects often seem strange.  No other list provider seems to
do

this, plus I have heard bad things about Freelists from other people as
well.

Have a great day,
Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Bishop" <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:17:04 -0700
Subject: state of the list as I know it at this time ...

Hello Everyone,

OK, sit back and take a deep breath.

As usual, Freelists support has been shall I say not very
helpful.

Apparently, all three accounts that I have moderated messages
going to are not working (one gmail, one personal domain and one
university account).  Also, Freelists support states that the messages
can

not be resent.

For this reason, messages sent earlier today will not be seen by
the list and for that I am very very sorry.

So, here is what I have done.

I have un-moderated the list for the time being.  I will keep a
very very close eye on things for the next while and if I see anyone
going

off topic and ranting or slamming others on the list you will be sent an
email and asked to stop. If you refuse then you will be removed from the
list and not allowed to post.

I would also like to ask members of the list what they would
think of moving the list away from Freelists to Googlegroups where I have
had a lot better luck in list control and actually things working.  What
do all of you think?

Again, my most sincerest apologies.

Jeff Bishop



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