Re: [program-l] CodePlex Jaws VS 2010 AddIn - Come Join Us!
- From: Jacques Bosch <jfbosch@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:33:35 +0200
IMO the thing that needs to be addressed first is that VS2010 Express should
get the same UIA support as the full products. I honestly don't get why they
don't. Dose somebody know MS's thoughts behind this? Or a link explaining
it?
Thanx.
Jacques
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM, RicksPlace <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> PMy problem is that I use the Express modules. Perhaps if there were a way
> to get, or use legally, a copy of Visual Studio I might be interested in
> playing around a little to see what it all entails. I know that students of
> credited schools get free or low cost copies and there are other situations
> where MS has given away copies or sold them at a very low cost. If MS were
> to allow registered designers of the interface to use the student version of
> their software that might be a low enough cost to make it a viable option
> for a home hobbiest on a very limited budget. I would still need to wait for
> GW Micro to get out their next version of WindowEyes since the current
> version, 7.2, does not support the recent accessibility hooks replacing MSAA
> nor the newer internet standards. At that, the new GW scripting model might
> give as good of support as the plug-in if all the accessibility features of
> VS are accessible via the new UIA hooks for objects and process. Anyway, my
> guess is that there would be more folks willing to play with the code if
> they could do so without having to lay out cash out of their own pockets or,
> at least, lay out a small amount.
> For you University students and Industry Professionals, it would be better
> to hire a developer to use whatever tools are necessary to make the package
> totally accessible in a simple to use and responsive manner. Then you get
> professional development with a consistent design, a support person who is
> paid to keep things up to date from release to release and likely a phone
> number to call and remote sessions for paid or group support of the product
> and perhaps VS itself.
> .
> If you do it for free it would be nice but if you want something of
> professional QUALITY it needs to be developed and maintained by either an
> established company or by a professional well aquainted with all
> accessibility technicals and also with fairly heavy use of the Visual Studio
> product line with a screen reader. Both are quite complicated in my opinion
> when you dig into the depths of each technical and explore the features
> other than the very most basics. That is why I did not fully support the
> idea of a free solution at this level, it has allot of holes and potentially
> fatel holes as I have seen over the years with other projects that depend on
> volunteers. The current JAWS scripts are fairly simple, very simple me
> thinks, compared to a full blown combined plugin and scripting solution that
> would work well for serious demanding professional environments requiring
> DataBase, Internet - Web, various DB, UI and other Designer support,
> DeBugging and dynamic visuals for wpf, Silverlight and the other newer
> features and more features that I just can't think of off the top of my head
> right now. Let's say you manage to get a nice solution and a couple of years
> from now, or perhaps one year, MS changes up the IDE, the Designers or other
> internal features requiring major changes to code segments. If the folks who
> were working on the complex code blocks are no longer available to dedicate
> time to the project, well, it would not work for those folks who depend on
> it at their University or their Jobs and some may fail their attempts to
> continue their education or even lose their jobs because someone at your end
> does not have time to keep the code up to date. "Remembering that this code
> is for professionals or students who will, hopefully, become professionals
> and not hobbiests it makes sense to me to devote dollars into making this
> product a product, and or, service of an existing and credable company with
> experience in such technicals and a history of quality and the likelyhood of
> a continuing feature in the field so the product will continue to be
> supported over the next couple of decades without inturruption or problems
> from the Blind Community of Professionals depending on the Accessibility
> Product to support themselves and their families. Phew! Sorry for the long
> post but I wanted to explain why I was not fully behind this idea from the
> start. Because of the nature of the VS Product it is geared for
> professionals who can afford, or are required for other reasons, to work in
> it and, or buy it.
> These folks either make money from it's use or their Educational
> institutions make money from the students or the State. Therefore, it is
> logical to funnel some of that money into a product that will make the
> required product, MS VS Studio available to those will benefit from its use.
> It is just logical and also correct in my opinion.
> Sonar has remained accessible over the years using this approach and
> accessibility is likely as though.
> Rick USA
> .i----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "Justin Daubenmire" <jdaubenmire@xxxxxxxxx>; <
> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [program-l] CodePlex Jaws VS 2010 AddIn - Come Join Us!
>
>
>
> I have noticed a number of negative reactions to Justin's post below. I
>> think legitimate issues were raised, but a more constructive approach would
>> be to engage in discussion with Justin about what features of the project
>> would make you want to join. Through discussion, hopefully enough people
>> can agree on something to work on collaboratively.
>>
>> Jamal
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/2010 7:01 PM, Justin Daubenmire wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I have setup a code plex open source project for programming a vs 2010
>>> addin for the jaws for windows screen reader.
>>>
>>> All information about the addin and for joining the project is found
>>> at the following link:
>>>
>>> http://jawsvs2010.codeplex.com/
>>>
>>> Please pass on the link to any list or person you think would enjoy
>>> being part of the team and contributing.
>>>
>>> I will be on list and available for any questions. I am looking
>>> forward to all of us completing this project.
>>>
>>> Thanks and please let me know if there are any questions!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Justin
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