RE: offf list: Re: OO Specs
- From: "Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO" <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 18:38:52 -0500
I received the attachment. Is someone going to send an OO book?
Susie Stanzel
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 6:25 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: black ares
Subject: Re: offf list: Re: OO Specs
I think I have received an attachment from this list before, so it may be worth
trying. In fact, Let me test with this message. I am attaching a zip archive
that contains a simple text file. People can report whether they received it.
Jamal
On 10/9/2010 6:16 AM, black ares wrote:
> I think that list does not support atachments.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Engebretson Jr."
> <d.engebretson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 9:45 AM
> Subject: offf list: Re: OO Specs
>
>
>> beautyful?
>> may we all have a look, sir?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "black ares"
>> <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 9:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: OO Specs
>>
>>
>>> if you want, I can send you one or two books about the ood, there
>>> are very beautyfull.
>>> Send me an e-mail privately.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO"
>>> <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:45 PM
>>> Subject: RE: OO Specs
>>>
>>>
>>> I liked what you said so much that I put it in a document for saving.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>> Susie Stanzel
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
>>> Mazrui
>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:19 AM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Cc: black ares
>>> Subject: Re: OO Specs
>>>
>>> Good points, which I did not take personally. I agree that reading
>>> about current theory in the field is also important, and you
>>> illustrated that well. Both are needed.
>>>
>>> I was trying to emphasize the actual doing of software development
>>> because I think there is often a natural temptation to keep reading
>>> different tutorials, hoping that a difficult concept will eventually
>>> be communicated in a way to which one relates. While this can
>>> sometimes happen, I have found that there is no substitute for
>>> actually coding a project of personal significance in order to grasp
>>> the subtleties involved. This phenomenon may be related to the
>>> benefit of trying to teach something to others as a way of better
>>> understanding it, oneself.
>>> Programming is like teaching something to the computer so that it
>>> does what you want. In going through that exercise, one discovers
>>> factors and relationships that one had not considered before. In the
>>> process, one reaches a depth of understanding that was not present,
>>> when the concepts were just words inside one's head. This is the
>>> same reasoning behind why it is important to actually do problem
>>> sets in a math class, not just read chapters of the book.
>>>
>>> Jamal
>>>
>>> On 10/8/2010 1:42 AM, black ares wrote:
>>>> let me stress some point on your affirmation.
>>>> It is true that doing real projects gain you the experience
>>>> necesary to grow in this domain.
>>>> But, reading different materials on the subject is also important,
>>>> because you can find there technics that you may be not are aware
>>>> of, or you didn't discover them by simply working.
>>>> There are a lot of software developer out there that develop better
>>>> or less software working on their own knowledge, but a few of them
>>>> go the right way because they knew the ood principles, knew some
>>>> pragmatic principles and aplied best technology ant methodology for
>>>> their project.
>>>> For example, for business logic in a project there are out there
>>>> five or more patterns to work with, each of them having its own
>>>> advantages and disatvantages.
>>>> For example I know
>>>> transaction script process
>>>> table module
>>>> Active Record
>>>> Domain model.
>>>> I gained awareness of some of them simply reading, because beeing
>>>> onest I simply found two of them in the real world project of mine,
>>>> domain model and active record.
>>>> But the other two are not less important, because, thei offer speed
>>>> in developing if the project permits it.
>>>> In conclusion, is a fact that all of us can write classes,
>>>> properties and methods, but its matter how do you write them.
>>>> Other way, there are a great colection of antipaterns out there,
>>>> which, first viewed make use of all oop principles, encapsulation,
>>>> inheritance and polymorphism.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, working with out lecture in etail on the
>>>> subject, may arise to another strange situation.
>>>> For example I worked a lot of years, creating architectures,
>>>> creating software, doing things because the comon sense dicted me
>>>> that that way is better to do things and not the other.
>>>> Now I decided to read some books on the subject to see what is new.
>>>> Surprise a lot of concepts discovered there in the books I have
>>>> already known them by my own discovering, but I didn't know their
>>>> standardised name and therminology.
>>>> For example I used domain driven principles even earlier than 2003
>>>> when it was standardised, but I didn't feel that it was so great,
>>>> it was simply a thing which have done my things work.
>>>> After the standardisation, I was in some interviews where I was
>>>> asked if I know domain driven design.
>>>> Not knowing that that is the name of what I've used, I sincerely
>>>> said no, loosing the interview.
>>>> Now, In 2010 I decided to see what the hell is that domain driven
>>>> design and realised what stupid I was.
>>>> Don't take it personaly, I simply presented some of my experiences.
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Black Ares
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui"
>>>> <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Cc: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 4:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: OO Specs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I do not have an answer to the particular question, and would be
>>>>> interested in reading that article, too, so please share the web
>>>>> address if you find it.
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding of OOP involves the following points:
>>>>>
>>>>> * In the context of the application, think of nouns as potential
>>>>> objects, which would be defined as classes with certain
>>>>> attributes, defined as either public properties or private fields
>>>>> (variables that retain configuration values of any data type), and
>>>>> methods, which define actions that the object is capable of performing.
>>>>>
>>>>> * The properties are attributes that may be changed by external
>>>>> clients of the API.
>>>>>
>>>>> * The fields are attributes of the object that can only be changed
>>>>> by internal procedures of the API, not accessible to external clients.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Any time an object could benefit from automatically being
>>>>> informed of an action by another object, particularly if it
>>>>> includes a change of one of its own properties by an external
>>>>> client, a method of that object may be automatically be triggered
>>>>> in response to that action, which is also called an event handler method.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I think the best way to learn most programming
>>>>> concepts is to try to implement them in a project of personal
>>>>> interest, usually one of direct, practical significance, or at
>>>>> least, passionate, principled interest. Keep asking questions
>>>>> until you find the answers to implement that project of personal
>>>>> significance. In my opinion, without the real application of
>>>>> knowledge, little conceptual understanding is actually gained.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Jamal
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/7/2010 3:02 PM, yHomme, James wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to have a bookmark that lead to something that told me how
>>>>>> to take a description of what you want a piece of software to do
>>>>>> and decide the objects, methods, and behaviors it would have.
>>>>>> Does anyone have links to this kind of thing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
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