I think I have received an attachment from this list before, so it may be worth trying. In fact, Let me test with this message. I am attaching a zip archive that contains a simple text file. People can report whether they received it.
Jamal On 10/9/2010 6:16 AM, black ares wrote:
I think that list does not support atachments. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Engebretson Jr." <d.engebretson@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 9:45 AM Subject: offf list: Re: OO Specsbeautyful? may we all have a look, sir? ----- Original Message ----- From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: Re: OO Specsif you want, I can send you one or two books about the ood, there are very beautyfull. Send me an e-mail privately. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO" <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:45 PM Subject: RE: OO Specs I liked what you said so much that I put it in a document for saving. Thank you very much. Susie Stanzel -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:19 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: black ares Subject: Re: OO Specs Good points, which I did not take personally. I agree that reading about current theory in the field is also important, and you illustrated that well. Both are needed. I was trying to emphasize the actual doing of software development because I think there is often a natural temptation to keep reading different tutorials, hoping that a difficult concept will eventually be communicated in a way to which one relates. While this can sometimes happen, I have found that there is no substitute for actually coding a project of personal significance in order to grasp the subtleties involved. This phenomenon may be related to the benefit of trying to teach something to others as a way of better understanding it, oneself. Programming is like teaching something to the computer so that it does what you want. In going through that exercise, one discovers factors and relationships that one had not considered before. In the process, one reaches a depth of understanding that was not present, when the concepts were just words inside one's head. This is the same reasoning behind why it is important to actually do problem sets in a math class, not just read chapters of the book. Jamal On 10/8/2010 1:42 AM, black ares wrote:let me stress some point on your affirmation. It is true that doing real projects gain you the experience necesary to grow in this domain. But, reading different materials on the subject is also important, because you can find there technics that you may be not are aware of, or you didn't discover them by simply working. There are a lot of software developer out there that develop better or less software working on their own knowledge, but a few of them go the right way because they knew the ood principles, knew some pragmatic principles and aplied best technology ant methodology for their project. For example, for business logic in a project there are out there five or more patterns to work with, each of them having its own advantages and disatvantages. For example I know transaction script process table module Active Record Domain model. I gained awareness of some of them simply reading, because beeing onest I simply found two of them in the real world project of mine, domain model and active record. But the other two are not less important, because, thei offer speed in developing if the project permits it. In conclusion, is a fact that all of us can write classes, properties and methods, but its matter how do you write them. Other way, there are a great colection of antipaterns out there, which, first viewed make use of all oop principles, encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism. On the other hand, working with out lecture in etail on the subject, may arise to another strange situation. For example I worked a lot of years, creating architectures, creating software, doing things because the comon sense dicted me that that way is better to do things and not the other. Now I decided to read some books on the subject to see what is new. Surprise a lot of concepts discovered there in the books I have already known them by my own discovering, but I didn't know their standardised name and therminology. For example I used domain driven principles even earlier than 2003 when it was standardised, but I didn't feel that it was so great, it was simply a thing which have done my things work. After the standardisation, I was in some interviews where I was asked if I know domain driven design. Not knowing that that is the name of what I've used, I sincerely said no, loosing the interview. Now, In 2010 I decided to see what the hell is that domain driven design and realised what stupid I was. Don't take it personaly, I simply presented some of my experiences. Best regards Black Ares ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 4:58 AM Subject: Re: OO SpecsHi, I do not have an answer to the particular question, and would be interested in reading that article, too, so please share the web address if you find it. My understanding of OOP involves the following points: * In the context of the application, think of nouns as potential objects, which would be defined as classes with certain attributes, defined as either public properties or private fields (variables that retain configuration values of any data type), and methods, which define actions that the object is capable of performing. * The properties are attributes that may be changed by external clients of the API. * The fields are attributes of the object that can only be changed by internal procedures of the API, not accessible to external clients. * Any time an object could benefit from automatically being informed of an action by another object, particularly if it includes a change of one of its own properties by an external client, a method of that object may be automatically be triggered in response to that action, which is also called an event handler method. Personally, I think the best way to learn most programming concepts is to try to implement them in a project of personal interest, usually one of direct, practical significance, or at least, passionate, principled interest. Keep asking questions until you find the answers to implement that project of personal significance. In my opinion, without the real application of knowledge, little conceptual understanding is actually gained. Best, Jamal On 10/7/2010 3:02 PM, yHomme, James wrote:Hi, I used to have a bookmark that lead to something that told me how to take a description of what you want a piece of software to do and decide the objects, methods, and behaviors it would have. Does anyone have links to this kind of thing? Thanks. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog <http://mysites.highmark.com/personal/lidikki/Blog/default.aspx>. 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