yes, you've did them wrong. Internet explorer and firefox come by default with javascript on them. See on the status bar if you don't have errors. Also you must enable java script debuging from internet options to see dialogs and can do debug. To be bad, you've already learned well programming in c#, vb.net and now is javascript time? ----- Original Message ----- From: Marvin Hunkin To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:15 PM Subject: java script plugins for internet explorer and firefox hi. where can i get the java script puguins for internet explorer and firefox. did a java script tutorial from http://www.blindgeeks.org but the security information bar does not come up. in internet explorer 8 and firefox 3.5. any ideas. any help would be appreciative. thank you. marvin.