RE: it jobs problems


Hey I agree with both of you on punctuation but lay off grin I am one who is
worst than anyone in email as you can see from my very long sentence here.
I do however do much different when money is involved so it's possible he is
in a rush but it's good that you pointed it out.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
Littlefield
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:54 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: it jobs problems

your not wrong in the punctuation field...
It's extremely hard and in some cases impossible to read some of his 
messages, especially when he's describing a project he worked on, or is 
working on. Grammar is huge in programming, (you don't want the users to 
have to guess what you wanted them to know), and that might be another field

to work on.

Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
web: tysdomain-com
Visit for quality software and web design.
skype: st8amnd2005

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: it jobs problems


>I have been checking this line in spot checks, and have two things to add 
>with all this besides putting a third chip on the scales supporting what TY

>and Ken have said!
>
> you will need a resume, and you need to make it as good as possible, you 
> can stretch things a small amount in a few spots, but "mainly the true 
> truth" is best, though if you go over and repair and maintenance your 
> dad's computer, yes, put it down as independent service contract 
> servicing, updating, and administering private computers,
> if you have done it, tell them, just phrase it so they will want to read 
> it, and consider its implication rather than "fixed dads computer" that 
> does not sound like anything they want, so it gets dismissed and/or you 
> get rejected. eh?
>
> another thing I would recommend, and this goes for myself as well as you, 
> get a resume done by someone who knows how, I mean really knows how, the 
> appearance of a resume does make an impression, even if the reviewer is 
> really more interested in what is inside, the fact that you made sure it 
> was well done, and proper looking will click a couple of points on the yes

> side of things.
>
> and, I don't mean to offend, but your typing is hard to follow. your using

> either to little punctuation, or the wrong ones, and your messages come 
> out on my end as one long run of words so scrambled that I usually need to

> read them at least twice to break down what your asking into sentences I 
> can understand.
>
> I could be wrong, or I could very well be glitching on a cultural 
> difference in writing, but this is what I am getting on my end. it's not 
> sounding professional to me.
>
> you may wish to go find a site with folks résumé's on it that you can 
> read, and look over a few, not just to see what there putting on them, but

> how there phrasing there words/sentences.
>
> I hope this is of help,
> The Elf
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:45 PM
> Subject: RE: it jobs problems
>
>
>>
>>
>> I have to agree with everything tylor has said which means tylor himself 
>> has
>> learned quite a bit from this list even with all the harping we have done

>> at
>> him.  I will add in getting the job with APH To what he has said.  I can
>> attest to companies expecting you to not just know your trade but to know

>> it
>> better then the sited people.  You can't just expect to walk in and be a
>> simple GUI coder which is what a lot of the sighted folks go out and make

>> 10
>> bucks an hour designing forms and attaching dll's.  You're not going to 
>> get
>> a GUI Designing job just because of its pace and the speed we move in 
>> those
>> circles a sighted person can crank out UI in no time.  We just can't do 
>> it I
>> don't care what tools you use you cannot keep up with them in that field.
>> Which leaves us needing enough to be able to take up large projects or do
>> driver or base code type coding.  Companies want someone that can do it 
>> all
>> so you have to prove to them your worth something.
>>
>> In my case I just got this job with APH.  The day I got there they didn't
>> say here is your nice shiny computer with all the latest bells and 
>> whistles
>> and here is our manual on all our API's now take your time and get to 
>> know
>> our environment.  They said install visual studio, log into Linux create
>> your PGP public and private keys set up your svn accounts, get all the 
>> build
>> environment for the PDA set up, compile a boot image, flash your old 
>> device
>> that we dug up out of a foot locker, fight with it till it works, oh and 
>> do
>> this while doing all your administration.  Learn how our python UI works 
>> and
>> Oh yeah get to work on that new Application that is going to go out with 
>> the
>> next release.
>> I call it baptism by fire and I enjoyed the whole start up but I have 
>> said
>> all this to point out that you have to know more than just basic 
>> application
>> design to get a job with a company.
>>
>> You have to understand the tools a company will use and that's knowing as
>> many subversion based software's as you can.  I wonder what would have
>> happened at APH if I would have said.  Sorry I have trouble installing
>> Visual studio, what is pgp how do I build a public and private key and 
>> what
>> is that by the way, Or build an image how do you do that. What do you 
>> mean
>> when you say flash a device should I open my rain coat and give it a good
>> view?  Sorry I don't like coding in python it has bad spacing 
>> requirements.
>> I probably would be out looking for another job within a week.
>>
>> So I guess what I am trying to say is if you're looking for a simple job
>> there is very few of them to be had and lots of competition.  You have to
>> learn enough to where you can take on the larger jobs where there are 
>> less
>> people competing.
>>
>> I am not saying all this to discourage you but I don't want you thinking
>> because you have learned some Visual basic or know some MySql you 
>> instantly
>> can get a job.  I can tell you my brother does the hiring at his company 
>> and
>> he actually will not hire people that only have visual basic on their
>> resume.  Mainly because that language is forced in almost all the 
>> colleges
>> and they are looking for people who know multiple languages and can 
>> handle
>> learning others on the spot if necessary because not everything has a 
>> nice
>> Microsoft .net environment to build an application on.
>>
>> Anyway I hope you find what you're looking for but you might have to move

>> to
>> do it.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
>> Littlefield
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:40 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: it jobs problems
>>
>> ok... I'm going to try to tackle this a bit at a time.
>> first, I suggest you really brush up on your programming skills. Your 
>> lack
>> of debugging is going to be a huge problem for you.
>> Second, If you don't want to make the move to where the firms are 
>> located,
>> you can find online jobs, but again they will require you to be 
>> proficient
>> in your trade. You will need to
>> 1) know how to research and solve problems on your own
>> 2) have seficient knowledge of the languages you are going to be using, 
>> or
>> have the abbility to learn extremely quickly
>> 3) Be proficient with computer usage and your screen reading software
>> 4) Be willing to adapt and make things work.
>> The first three I see as a minor problem from your previous posts. The
>> fourth may feel like brown nosing, but being a blind programmer your 
>> going
>> to have a hard time of it.
>> Not saying that it's not a posibility. There are tons of blind 
>> programmers
>> (well, not tons, but quite a few), who have successfull jobs.
>> But in order to overcome the "o my god, this dude is blind," problem you
>> need to be able to present them with a good picture. If they see you as a
>> problem, or taking up to much work time, they're going to consider you a
>> lost cause. Basically if your not almost fully proficient and able to sit
>> down and start coding something when they ask, or easily do your job 
>> without
>>
>> much employee intervention, they're going to have problems with hiring 
>> you.
>> If, on the other hand , you need to constantly ask questions, get help 
>> with
>> jaws (because msdn or sites won't work), can't make their deadlines, then
>> you will have tons of problems finding a job. Mainly because they could
>> easily get someone to do the job that would be more proficient and cost 
>> less
>>
>> manpower, or be able to accomplish the job with less dificulties than 
>> you.
>> These are just my thoughts from talking to people and minimal experience 
>> in
>> the work environment.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tyler Littlefield
>> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> web: tysdomain-com
>> Visit for quality software and web design.
>> skype: st8amnd2005
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Marvin Hunkin" <startrekcafe@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:28 AM
>> Subject: it jobs problems
>>
>>
>>> Hi.
>>> well, have been looking for part time or full time it jobs in devonport
>>> tas.
>>> seems a lot of private and government jobs are in Launcestan or Hobart.
>>> and transport, could be a major problem, to me even getting a chance to
>>> get
>>> an interview.
>>> just starting seriosly to look for jobs.
>>> put a few feelers, asking for if any companies in devonport, or 
>>> ulverston
>>> or
>>> latrobe, a few it companies. but have not heard back from them.
>>> so what do you suggest i do?
>>> as the public transport system, not really that great.
>>> no passenger trains, only buses, and that would take 3 hours or more out
>>> of
>>> my day to travel to Launcestan and return to devonport.
>>> pity there are no online jobs i could do as a part of a team, from home
>>> using the internet.
>>> suppose, most it firms have not the infresturcture to set that up.
>>> so just wondering, what are my options.
>>> there might be possible employment with Devon Industries, a supported 
>>> work
>>> shop, and mainly manufacturing.
>>> they do have a admin section, but no it.
>>> they suggested i contact wise or ability employment.
>>> well, when i was in devonport, before moving to the mainland, then 
>>> moving
>>> back to tas.
>>> long story.
>>> will not bore you with that, that's for another time and another place.
>>> so, what do you recommend?
>>> any suggestions, possible solutions, or work arounds, would be fine.
>>> or even possible links to possible job vacancies.
>>> i do not really want to work in a supported work shop, did that about 20
>>> years ago at the royal society for the blind of south Australia.
>>> so what do you suggest?
>>> at a loss.
>>> have been looking around for a little while, searching online job sites.
>>> and get some it jobs, but they are in Launcestan or Hobart.
>>> any ideas?
>>> i have seem to hit a brick wall.
>>> i do get a taxi subsedy.
>>> but even at 2 days a week, to Launcestan and back, could be quite
>>> expensive.
>>> unless, be able to car pool, even if i can get an interview, get short
>>> listed, and even get the position.
>>> and even if i bring my laptop, which has jaws.
>>> really hit a brick wall and need suggestions.
>>> any one else been in this situation, middle aged, blind and trying to 
>>> get
>>> a
>>> foot into this industry?
>>> cheers Marvin.
>>> E-mail: startrekcafe@xxxxxxxxx
>>> MSN: sttartrekcafe@xxxxxxx
>>> Skype: startrekcafe
>>> We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile!
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