# RE: introduction, and first query

• From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26" <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
• To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
• Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:59:15 -0400

```I used those as a child but when building was done in order to make
buildings stronger, bricks were half overlayed just as is done in real
building masonry.  A second row was offset halfway so the center of a
brick for example on the second row covered each join of bricks on the
first row.  The third row had its centers right over the joints on the
second row and so on.  True with a very poor structural design a
congenitally blind student might start to get an approximation of how a
form would need to be designed later (no offsets), bricks placed at
proportional distances and so on.  I also think there's an extremely
high probability those in the study did use legos and building blocks as
children and it didn't help either.  I think a good predictor whether an
individual will not have trouble designing forms is if they did really
well in Calculus and had no trouble with the visualization exercises.
That leaves me out, and for your information sighted developers
routinely fix up my forms before management gets to see them when I'm
doing development.

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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 13:30
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: introduction, and first query

hi,

i find this theory a LOC as especially people blind from birth can use
lego boards and rectangle bricks to learn spacial relations and be
better able to layout forms.

Bryan Schulz
The BEST Solution
www.best-acts.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
<jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: introduction, and first query

Over on the access-l mailing list a summary of the results of a study
were released that make it pretty clear how well blind programmers end
up doing with graphical user interface design depends strongly on when
they became blind.  Those blind at birth have the most difficulty
designing such interfaces and those with some memory of vision have the
least difficulty.  That study will need replication and likely will have
impacts on interface design in the future.  A swag on my part is you
like me were blind at birth or so shortly after you have no memory of
The only way this facet of your work is likely to improve fast is if one
of your colleagues does a walkthrough of your interface with you and
describes intelligible standards that will enable you to fix your work
up and your colleague will need to check your fixes to be sure both of
you are on the same page.  So far as I know neither Microsoft nor any
other vendor has put a tool on the market to take a working console
application and make another instance of it that's a windows form
application.  Should that ever happen provided its output is mostly
acceptable lots more should be possible for you quickly.

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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of sameer
manohtra
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:40
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: introduction, and first query

Hello guys,
My self sameer manohtra from India, and I'm a totally blind.
Due to my concealed interest in programming, I have started learning the
first programming language of my life that's vb.net.
In fact I'm not that highly rational when comes the question of
programming, so will keep seeking your kind help.
I'm not very sure about all of you people as I've just found this list
when I was googling something on the same topic, but I'm quite sure that
all of you have nicely attained your endeavors, and in fact are one of
the prominents of society.
As I have subscribed on this list now, you will keep receiving silly
questions from my side, as I'm just an apprentice in all those stuffs
Before asking any queries, would like to tell, that I'm using jaws
version 7.0 and VS 2005.
Further, scripts of jaws for vs 2005 is installed.
The first, and chief problem I'm facing from the first day of vb.net
learning, is that I'm unable to set the layout of my forms.
For example, I found it unattainable to set different components on
their right positions as buttons, text boxes, labels, group boxes, or
what so ever.
I mean, that  my cited counterparts always keeps telling, that my forms
looks so bizarre in terms of design.
Though jaws still navigates finely, and therefore I always find my self
unable satisfying my friends via designing, and proper placement of my
form items.
So, is there any specific technique from which we can set a relatively
good layout, so that at least cited people don't finds it odd?
Mostly, my text boxes would be so lower side, button would be on top,
labels somewhere hidden, and all that pathetic what my friends tells me.
Are  their any particular guidelines or sort of stuff about placing
these ToolBox components which can make it look user friendly?
In wait of your quick responses,
Sameer manohtra.
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